The 4A,. Drug Dog "Testimony" and Florida

[Timothy]

Never happen now.  ANY drug or DUI arrest and your career is effectively over.  Captains' Mast in your record, forget it.  YOu may be able to stay in but advancement will be impossible.

I find that intresting as part of the paper work you sign waves several of your rights, including your 5th amendments.

Remember guys, in 1975, even your urine and blood could not be used against you for drugs.  That didn't happen until 1980.  Your body fluids are nobodies business!

All of the above is absolute fact as it happened back in the day and TAB, I doubt the paper today even closely resembles the paperwork of the mid 70's...

[tombogan03884]

JNevins, back in those days 80+% of the entire armed forces were either using drugs or drinking more than was good for them.
Or both.

While I agree with the point Tyler made I have to say, based on what J originally posted, they had plenty of probable cause.
It may be a sh!tty deal, but it sounds like the cops played by the rules.

[jnevis]

Don't get me wrong I understand it was a different time.  Hell, my Company Commander in Boot "survived" a DUI and still made Chief.  But he also made sure it was perfectly clear that he was lucky and would never see Senior.

[tombogan03884]

Don't get me wrong I understand it was a different time.  Hell, my Company Commander in Boot "survived" a DUI and still made Chief.  But he also made sure it was perfectly clear that he was lucky and would never see Senior.

Dude, you don't understand. 
 If you were only drunk you got an ass chewing and that was it, if it happened a couple time you got sent to D&A classes.
I never heard of any one getting in trouble for being under the influence of drugs and I saw a guy talk his way out of having an ounce of weed fall out of his pant leg during a company formation.
He didn't even get an Art. 15.
And for TAB, the dogs weren't worth a crap.
I will tell of one time they brought them through our barracks, afterward one of the guys was talking with the dog handler making of the dog, just BSing about the training, and dog stuff, (he had hunting dogs ) When the dog handler and every one had left he went over to his locker and dropped off the 4 ounces of pot he had in his cargo pockets.

[Timothy]

I have a few similar stories Tom!  It was a completely different era in the Military then and senior enlisted and officers weren't innocent either.  Overindulgence was something that was considered the norm!  Our barracks in K. West and Iceland didn't have soda machines, they had beer machines at about 15 cents a can!  We worked hard and partied harder...

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[tombogan03884]

Sunday supper was hot pizza and cold beer in the barracks, Monday breakfast was cold pizza and warm beer in the barracks. 

[Timothy]

I don't know why but, the Marine contingent on my bases could not win a drinking contest!

The Navy always prevailed!!!!

[fightingquaker13]

There is also the first tour dumb ass factor even today. A young sailor does something stupid, but straightens up and flies right. Do you pitch him over the side for an unknown quantity and hope for better results, or assume lesson learned and we'll call it bygones? I don't know what current policy is, but I know which option seems like the smart idea to me.
FQ13

[Timothy]

There is also the first tour dumb ass factor even today. A young sailor does something stupid, but straightens up and flies right. Do you pitch him over the side for an unknown quantity and hope for better results, or assume lesson learned and we'll call it bygones? I don't know what current policy is, but I know which option seems like the smart idea to me.
FQ13

The Sailor in that story graduated second in his class two weeks after that bust and managed to remain squared away for the remainder of his hitch!  He had several Chiefs that supported him and didn't want to see him railroaded out of the Navy!  He was one lucky SOB!

In our day, making E-7 (Chief) meant you not only did your job well, but you didn't get caught either!

 

[Tyler Durden]

I had a former enlisted guy tell me one time that they used to put the crappy weed into the floor polish, get out the buffers and polish the floors.  Then like a few days later the MP's would bring the dogs in and they would just go nuts because they could smell the weed in the floor but couldn't narrow it down to just one location.