Bane will take a 9mm, Hawkfish a .40

[Dougdubya]

Having said that, I would like a 10mm (Glock 20/S&W 1006) but for sporting reasons.

That's one scene I want to write.  Character pulls out a Glock 20 with a 6 inch barrel and a +2 floorplate.
What's that?
My huntin' rig.
Whatcha huntin'?
Violent felons.

 

[Rastus]

  Maybe it's just me, but I don't want to "be on the recieving end" of a .22 short. 

Lot's of great posts here...all civil too!  I'm with you Tom...I don't want a .22 short inside me!  With the 22 in mind...LEO friends tell me the 22 richochets around causing extensive damage inside the body cavity.  With that a caveat...small bullet...small initial impact so additional anti-fellon repellant must be added immediately to stop the show.  But I was impressed...a couple of the guys said 22's are/can be more deadly than a larger round because they bounce around.  The bigger the hole the quicker they bleed out and shock/blunt trauma has a lot to do with stopping an engagement so....I don't carry a 22 despite the ultimate lethality! 

I love the 10MM high power, 45, 357, 40, .38 & 9....my opinion (take it for what it's worth), since I carry in urban environments is to first think of the impact to bystanders.  Worst thing I'd ever want to happen is to hurt a child....so shot placement is King and premium bullets that stay in the target are Queen.  The 10MM stays home...except on trips through the country...because I shoot the "old timey" full power loads available from Doubletap ammo. 

But thinking bystander safety, my safety and shock value (in that order)....what would ya'll think about a concealable 5.7 x 28 if one existed?  I've got a Five SeveN and it's the same size as my 1911's...a bit large for most concealed carry....but very good about not penetrating walls while getting the job done quickly on target.  And...recoil is light so shot placement is better for initial and followup shots (2 to the body & 1 to the head).  It's what I keep in the nightstand so I don't have to worry so much about penetrating walls and hitting my children if I'm required to engage an intruder.

[HAWKFISH]

Hmm.. concealable 5.7 x 28..  I dunno. Interesting question. I think I would have to see the ballistics and actually do my own shooting test to decide. I wouldn't immediently rule it out.

[tombogan03884]

Hmm.. concealable 5.7 x 28..  I dunno. Interesting question. I think I would have to see the ballistics and actually do my own shooting test to decide. I wouldn't immediently rule it out.

I agree, unless you are using specialized ammo not available to the public the ballistics are not quite as good as a .22 Hornet. I'd go with a larger caliber and expanding bullet.

[MikeO]

I've been issued the 38, the 45, and the 9.

The nine is fine. Have stopped several large, agressive dogs w my nine minimeter.

The city issues the 9, the county the 40, the state the 357 in Glocks. State is switching to the M&P357. The 45, mostly in 1911s, is a popular option w the city.

Over the last 10 yrs, the 9 has been stopping as well/better as the rest. The most multiple hit failures to stop have come from the 40 (none w the 9/45). The most extreme failure to stop w one shot COM was from a 45. The 9 has had no problem stopping through the normal tactical barriers (furniture, interior doors/walls, auto glass, etc). Go figure. I'm sure many have war stories that show the flip side. C'est la guerre.

All the ammo companies can give you 9mm ammo (std and +P) that penetrates enough and expands reliably. 

Not concerned w energy; more on that end means more on my end too. Not concerned w capacity; it's gonna be over one way or another before I get past six. Know of plenty of shootings where more than 6 didn't do the job, but none where six couldn't do the job.

More (bigger, heavier, faster) is better. If you can do more w more, have at it. I can do more w less. 

[Sponsor]

[HAWKFISH]

"More (bigger, heavier, faster) is better. If you can do more w more, have at it. I can do more w less."   Umm.. I like that MikeO.  Unique way of putting it. 

[Dougdubya]

More weight (like 127 grains) and more velocity (like 1200 plus) means more effectiveness for the Nine.

Then again, the ISP did quite well with moderate weight (115 grains) at 1350 fps.

It's why guys with .45's don't go into action with "softball" rounds at under 700 fps or 185 grains.

More weight.  More velocity.  More better.

[2HOW]

MikeO, Looks like an Airforce patch., Always knew you guys were smart, bigger is better. If it starts with a 4 I shoot it. Bless you if you can do more with a 9mm. 

[Hazcat]

MikeO, Looks like an Airforce patch., Always knew you guys were smart, bigger is better. If it starts with a 4 I shoot it. Bless you if you can do more with a 9mm. 

Yeah, but being Airforce he has to remove his airforce gloves (hands in pockets) before he can draw! 

[tombogan03884]

Yeah, but being Airforce he has to remove his airforce gloves (hands in pockets) before he can draw! 

   You can't even BE a Marine unless you can shoot, but I still carry a .45