Pincus on Sub-Compact 1911's

[PegLeg45]

Rob posted this on FB via his I.C.E. page....very interesting, and something he has mentioned several times on here in the past.






Also, here is an article on the video by Grant Cunningham on the issue:

http://grantcunningham.com/blog_files/716793598a5a1fa24cb3b5a2b1756e47-1017.html

[2HOW]

nothin says 1911 like the good ole Government model   

[twyacht]

nothin says 1911 like the good ole Government model   

Yes Sir,,,,and my compacts/sub-compacts are not of a 1911 platform....

I did inherit my Fathers Colt Mustang Pocketlite, in ,380. (uber mini 1911), however, I do not carry it. Nor would I subject it to a Pincus firing line.

My guess is "K**ber" will not be sending Rob a Christmas Card this year....

[Timothy]

Two things the Pincus ain't short on is ego and opinions!  He's had a hard on for the little pocket Kimbers for some time now as I recall.  Though I doubt I'll ever buy or need a baby 1911, we don't have any other information other than 300 rounds fired to explain the problems.

Limp wrist, re-loaded ammo, dirty, dry, home smithing,  etc....what were the circumstances?  I've seen problems at the range from literally everything at one time or another.

Even MB said a few weeks ago that eventually everything is going to malfunction that's made by man!  This time, it was fortunate to have a camera close at hand and he made a point to put the manufacturers name real close.

[Ichiban]

I saw this on another forum and managed to resist posting on it there - but I can't let it slide twice.

This is about choosing the wrong weapon for the task at hand.  What Rob is teaching is essentially a combat handgun course where hundreds (to thousands) of rounds go through the gun in a very short time.  Sub-compact 1911s (or any other sub-compact) are notoriously hard on recoil springs and many manufacturers recommend changing them at some ridiculous (300 rounds?) interval.  It is like taking your 12" chain saw to a lumberjack competition.  Wrong tool for the event.

A well maintained sub-compact is a perfectly viable self defense weapon.  That doesn't mean that it is the tool for post-apocalyptic street clearing activities.

A handgun is a tool.  If you are going to use it, it is your responsibility to know how it works, maintain it, and know how to use it.

I think Rob would better served to advise his students before they show up that the sub-compact is not the right tool for his course.

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[Timothy]

^^^^^^^^^^^Bingo!

[Solus]

Rob did say the incident on the video was representative of what occurs with sub-compact 1911s at every training event he gives where they are present.

So it is not just those 300 rounds out of that lone gun...it was just a sample of what is happening often.

I believe Ichiban probably got it right...you don't use a sub-compact as a main duty pistol.

Then again, it might be that you want a good sub-compact .45 caliber pistol, you start with a Glock 21  

[Timothy]

I think Ichiban was on point when he mentioned using the wrong tool for the task at hand.  I nearly took the CFS course at my range a few years ago (with the Pincus as the main instructor) until I learned how much time and ammo I would be committing to.  IIRC, it was 1.2K to 1.5K of ammo over four days and four days off work.  For me that was nearly 2400 bucks!!  Can I expect any autoloader to put up with that much abuse over four days of shooting without proper maintenance and cleaning.

I can already shoot!  At what point does any particular firearm require change out of critical components to maintain critical function?  Can anyone answer that?  Doubtful!

Know your, and your equipments limitations and go from there.  The Pincus's of the industry won't make a dime unless they can convince you you're unprepared for any "critical incident"!

[tombogan03884]

I think Ichiban was on point when he mentioned using the wrong tool for the task at hand.  I nearly took the CFS course at my range a few years ago (with the Pincus as the main instructor) until I learned how much time and ammo I would be committing to.  IIRC, it was 1.2K to 1.5K of ammo over four days and four days off work.  For me that was nearly 2400 bucks!!  Can I expect any autoloader to put up with that much abuse over four days of shooting without proper maintenance and cleaning.

I can already shoot!  At what point does any particular firearm require change out of critical components to maintain critical function?  Can anyone answer that?  Doubtful!

Know your, and your equipments limitations and go from there.  The Pincus's of the industry won't make a dime unless they can convince you you're unprepared for any "critical incident"!

There are catalogs full of absolute "must have" gear for any type of survival situation.
Oddly enough our ancestors did quite nicely with pointy sticks and fire.

[Timothy]

There are catalogs full of absolute "must have" gear for any type of survival situation.
Oddly enough our ancestors did quite nicely with pointy sticks and fire.

I still carry a pointy stick.....it's called a Shillelagh!