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Re: Quick 1911 Question
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2012, 08:35:29 PM »
Thats exactly what I did lastnight.  I have pipe cleaners for my gas tubes on my ARs.  I have replaced the slide stop with a Wilson Combat that I already had.  I'll get it to the range this weekend and let y
all know what happens.

Thanks guys,  I had never had this happen and I consider myself pretty good with JMB's greatest design (IMHO ) so this was an eye opener for me.

Look forward to hearing your results.

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Re: Quick 1911 Question
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2012, 09:11:57 PM »
Ok, guys. Tech support at Para USA says the only thing holding the slide stop lever is the plunger and spring adn that their is no divit in the slide stop.  Their is a divit in the thumb safety but we knew that.  I asked if the bbl link could be worn or streached.  He said it could be but that would not cause this.  That would lead to poor timeing, lock up of slide to frame and accuracy.  He said to first change the lever, then the plunger and spring if the new lever did not fix it.  If the new plunger and spring don't do the trick, it will have to go to Para for a new plunger tube.  Paras are not staked in, they are part of the frame.

Actually....with the 1911 completely assembled correctly, the slide itself holds the stop in because the part of the stop (arrow in my previous post's photo) is captured behind the inside of the slide face. That is why it must line up with the notch for take-down. It shouldn't come out, even if the plunger and spring are missing, unless the take-down notch is lined up.

Unless I'm missing something, the only way a lever can come out is for the top of the slide stop to be worn enough to slip under the bottom of the slide or the bottom of the slide has to be worn...or the slide to frame fit is loose enough to allow it to slip out without binding the slide.......or just by a freak of timing and slide cycle speed it is popping out at the notch (hard to see happening under normal slide speeds, but I've seen strange things before).

With the slide on the frame, can the slide be wiggled upwards?.....Or rocked side to side?
With the gun assembled with the old stop in place....move the slide back and forth in different locations (other than lined up with the slot) and see if it will push out with finger pressure. That will tell you exactly what/where the problem is.


My curiosity abounds here.
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Re: Quick 1911 Question
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2012, 09:19:56 PM »
One caution .
 Be careful when you shoot it !
I've crashed enough machine tooling to know that if a moving part isn't where it belongs when it movs the results can be noisy, dangerous and expensive. 
Thank God They never made me supply my own tooling  ;D

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Re: Quick 1911 Question
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2012, 09:45:25 PM »
Actually....with the 1911 completely assembled correctly, the slide itself holds the stop in because the part of the stop (arrow in my previous post's photo) is captured behind the inside of the slide face. That is why it must line up with the notch for take-down. It shouldn't come out, even if the plunger and spring are missing, unless the take-down notch is lined up.

Unless I'm missing something, the only way a lever can come out is for the top of the slide stop to be worn enough to slip under the bottom of the slide or the bottom of the slide has to be worn...or the slide to frame fit is loose enough to allow it to slip out without binding the slide.......or just by a freak of timing and slide cycle speed it is popping out at the notch (hard to see happening under normal slide speeds, but I've seen strange things before).

With the slide on the frame, can the slide be wiggled upwards?.....Or rocked side to side?
With the gun assembled with the old stop in place....move the slide back and forth in different locations (other than lined up with the slot) and see if it will push out with finger pressure. That will tell you exactly what/where the problem is.


My curiosity abounds here.

The slide stop is not slideing out from under the slide.  It will pop out just enough to lock the slide ( or actually jam the slide ) as the take down notch lines up when the slide moves rearward durring firing.  It is as if I am trying to disassemble the gun but only push the lever part way out.  When I looked this up on the internet I was surprised that it was a common problem...sorta.  In other words if the gun is in battery, you can not push the lever out.  It will only come out if the notch is lined up.  If you want to see what I meen,  Put slight pressure on the right side of the lever as if you are going to field strip the gun.  Then rack the slide.  With the slight pressure as the notch lines up, the lever moves over just enough to lodge in the notch and jam the slide.  Ive been shooting for a long time and unless I woke up brain dead the other day this is mechanical and not my shooting technique.
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Re: Quick 1911 Question
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2012, 10:36:25 PM »
Ahaaaa!!!
Gotcha now.....I'm pickin' up what you are puttin' down now.......  ;D

That adds to the possibilities.......

In that case, heck, the pin itself (where it goes through the frame and barrel link could possibly be worn enough to let it slip....or the holes in the frame could be wallowed out....but I'm inclined to go with the former and say it is the pin diameter just making it enough of a sloppy fit to work itself out.

Sometimes thousandths will do it.

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Re: Quick 1911 Question
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Re: Quick 1911 Question
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2012, 08:58:20 AM »
Ahaaaa!!!
Gotcha now.....I'm pickin' up what you are puttin' down now.......  ;D

That adds to the possibilities.......

In that case, heck, the pin itself (where it goes through the frame and barrel link could possibly be worn enough to let it slip....or the holes in the frame could be wallowed out....but I'm inclined to go with the former and say it is the pin diameter just making it enough of a sloppy fit to work itself out.

Sometimes thousandths will do it.



Just so long as you're not stepping in it.  ;D

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Re: Quick 1911 Question
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2012, 10:58:30 AM »
Sounds like Tyler's Detent  might solve the problem.  

It would have to be deep enough to secure the lever under recoil but shallow enough not to hinder disassemble....and be feathered as Tyler described to allow upward movement.

Might be worth a try.
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Re: Quick 1911 Question
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2012, 11:50:44 AM »
Just so long as you're not stepping in it.  ;D

No sir.... I use a square-point shovel.   ;)   ;D  ;D  ;D
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Re: Quick 1911 Question
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2012, 05:58:09 PM »
Check online for Clark Custom Guns.  They are based in La.  Give them a call and ask them.  They have been around for years and know their stuff and 1911's also!  LOL

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Re: Quick 1911 Question
« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2012, 07:20:02 PM »
Check online for Clark Custom Guns.  They are based in La.  Give them a call and ask them.  They have been around for years and know their stuff and 1911's also!  LOL

Richard

You know...I never thought of them and they built me a compitition gun years ago.( When I had money for that kinda thing )  Yes I might try Tylers suggestion.  I will replace the plunger spring and test at the range this weekend.  If I still have issues I'll put in the divit.
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