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tombogan03884

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Re: I.D.ing the murderer
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2012, 03:41:19 PM »
Depends on circumstances, but I'm a cynic .
Maybe the person getting assaulted really deserves, or needs it.
It wasn't my beef to begin with, I'm not making it my beef.
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Re: I.D.ing the murderer
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2012, 03:47:30 PM »
Getting involved in a violent event is a personal moral decision, and I respect your decision.  Each person would have to make up their own decision on this.  I personally would never get involved, unless it is absolutely 100 percent clear to me who the bad guy is and the victim is a true defenseless innocent.  For me, that is pretty much limited to a child in mortal danger.  If the person being attacked is an adult stranger, I'm not going to risk my own life for them, and that's my moral decision.  First, I'll never be 100% certain that shooting victim is truly innocent, even if it's a store clerk or a 100 pound woman.  For all I know, the clerk or the woman was selling drugs on the side and the shooter is exacting revenge for a deal gone bad.  Second, that person is old enough to take responsibility to prepare for their own defense and protection, not me.  I'm a sheepdog for my family, not another flock.

Concerning the Warsaw ghetto scenario.  That's just a plain no-win situation and you will be shot dead.  Better to live, prepare and fight back smarter another day.
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Re: I.D.ing the murderer
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2012, 04:04:12 PM »
Absolutely right on not yelling "police". That will land you in jail quicker than lightening where I live.

As mentioned, take cover and get loved one's out of harms way. Call 911. Keep observing the area and report anything you see to dispatch. Be sure to let dispatch know who you are and what you are wearing. All this will be passed on to the approaching officers. Be a good witness.

Only use force if you or others are in danger. If they are shooting at you. Shoot back. Cops won't be shooting at someone for no reason.
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Re: I.D.ing the murderer
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2012, 05:39:29 PM »
Quote from: Ping on August 24, 2012, 04:04:12 PM
Absolutely right on not yelling "police". That will land you in jail quicker than lightening where I live.

As mentioned, take cover and get loved one's out of harms way. Call 911. Keep observing the area and report anything you see to dispatch. Be sure to let dispatch know who you are and what you are wearing. All this will be passed on to the approaching officers. Be a good witness.

Only use force if you or others are in danger. If they are shooting at you. Shoot back. Cops won't be shooting at someone for no reason.

That is exactly my point.  If someone is holding a gun on someone, they are in danger.   In the store clerk example, you are in the store, the bad guy pulls the gun and points it at the clerk and makes demands.  No matter how I look at it, that clerk is in life threatening danger.

Call 911?   I don't think it would be different there....   When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.   
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Re: I.D.ing the murderer
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2012, 06:34:44 PM »
Quote from: Solus on August 24, 2012, 05:39:29 PM
That is exactly my point.  If someone is holding a gun on someone, they are in danger.   In the store clerk example, you are in the store, the bad guy pulls the gun and points it at the clerk and makes demands.  No matter how I look at it, that clerk is in life threatening danger.

Call 911?   I don't think it would be different there....   When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.   

Is it worth possibly getting yourself killed or injured over someone else's insured money ?
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Re: I.D.ing the murderer
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2012, 06:42:29 PM »
How do you know the person with the gun is the trashie? Could be the people on the ground are the baddies. Stay out of it unless attacked or until the police arrive.
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Re: I.D.ing the murderer
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2012, 06:54:19 PM »
Quote from: Pecos Bill on August 24, 2012, 06:42:29 PM
How do you know the person with the gun is the trashie? Could be the people on the ground are the baddies. Stay out of it unless attacked or until the police arrive.

I drifted from the OP.  There was way to little information to even make any kind of statement.

It was like saying someone shot someone, who are you gonna shoot?


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Re: I.D.ing the murderer
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2012, 06:57:05 PM »
Quote from: tombogan03884 on August 24, 2012, 06:34:44 PM
Is it worth possibly getting yourself killed or injured over someone else's insured money ?

I wasn't concerned about the money, but the clerk facing the gun.  To me the clerk is worth taking the risk.

If your dad was the clerk and was at the point of the gun and a armed stranger decided to get save out the side door and your father was shot, would you compliment the stranger on his wise decision to beat it rather than take his shot and stop the bad guy?
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Re: I.D.ing the murderer
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2012, 08:23:09 PM »
Read this and think about what would happen if the good samaritans were armed.  http://www.nj.com/union/index.ssf/2012/08/plainfield_thief_escapes_when.html
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Re: I.D.ing the murderer
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2012, 08:30:27 PM »
Quote from: jumbofrank on August 24, 2012, 08:23:09 PM
Read this and think about what would happen if the good samaritans were armed.  http://www.nj.com/union/index.ssf/2012/08/plainfield_thief_escapes_when.html

Covers my and some others' points on here about not getting involved if you are not forced into it or have full knowledge of the players.
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