This may explain no Campus Carry allowed..

[MikeBjerum]

What does the course prerequisite and your syllabus state as base knowledge and expectations?

Hold them to it!

If I am the one getting short changed because you are catering to an idiot, there fault or a former babysitter's, you will know I am unhappy.  There are many professors and instructors that will verify that if you wish.

By the way, they are not paying the big bucks for catch up education.  They are paying for the higher levels, and if they screwed up or got screwed that is an additional fee they pay a tutor.

[MikeBjerum]

That education needs to come from a failing grade and remedial history/civics/current events classes, that also cost $100 a credit.  When mom and them get the bill for that, then we'll start to get somewhere.  Life ain't fair, college/university should be training for life, not a post high school party.

This post shouldn't surprise me.  Your handle describes me    You hit the nail squarely on the head right there!

[tombogan03884]

M58, and FBG,
I have to agree with FQ on this one, It is not the collage professors fault if he hast teach remedial English before he can assign an essay if that is the only way to get coherent results.

[lhprop1]

The real problem is that kids and their parents now see college as a right and the norm.  Most colleges are in it to make money, so they accept all of these braindead twats and lower their standards to cater to them.  College used to be a place only the smartest people went to help them become even better.  Now, it's just a place every yuppie feels that their kid needs to go, whether it be for status or for the hope of a better future.   

I got out of college a little over a decade ago, and even then, I'd say that only about 15% or less of the students had the intelligence to comprehend the higer level subjects that should be taught in college.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with getting a job right out of high school or going to a tech school to learn a trade.   

[MikeBjerum]

M58, and FBG,
I have to agree with FQ on this one, It is not the collage professors fault if he hast teach remedial English before he can assign an essay if that is the only way to get coherent results.

It is not his fault that it is needed, but it is his fault for dumbing down the process and ripping off the students that come in meeting the MINIMAL standards.  Pres. BHO and his ilk would be proud of you two for penalizing those of us that worked hard to meet the standard.  They would brag about your way of lowering expectations and putting the unprepared and lazy first.

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[fatbaldguy]

M58, and FBG,
I have to agree with FQ on this one, It is not the collage professors fault if he hast teach remedial English before he can assign an essay if that is the only way to get coherent results.

No bone picking here, It oughta be called REMEDIAL.  It should cost the same as English 101.  The explanation to Mom and them is, hey, they didn't learn it in high school, 'cause they was taught to pass some damn test, they weren't taught to learn/think/reason.  Bad grammar, poor syntax, and colloquial English on purpose 'cause I'm a hillbilly with a high school education, but I can reason/think, and sometimes am even capable of learning something.

[fightingquaker13]

I can't bellieve I'm quoting Donald Rumsfeld, but I'm doing it it. "You don't go to war with the army you want, you go to war with the army you have". Its a paraphrase, but close enough.
I don't run the high schools, I'm not their dad who should have sat them down in front of the history channel rather than MTV, and I'm not in charge of admissions. You work with what you have. The thing is, these aren't stupid kids. They're just ignorant. Part of it is the obsession with standarized tests in high school that focuses on memorization and regurgitation (that's the GOPs fault). Part of it is the "every one's a winner and no one fails" philosophy (chalk that up to the Dems). And a large part is due to parents who don't care enought to teach their kids themselves. Me, I've got 100 kids. I can't tell 95 of them to go home.
Here's a very old military quote from Hericletus:

“Of every one hundred men, ten shouldn’t even be there, eighty are nothing but targets, nine are real fighters… We are lucky to have them… They make the battle. Ah, but the one, one of them is a Warrior… and he will bring the others back.” -Hericletus

My job is to teach them all. So, we go to war with the army we have and my job is to train them the best I can. But can't help but wondering what the hell they did all day in high school if they can't write, can't argue and don't know jack about their own history?

[MikeBjerum]

I could keep trying to make my point, but the tenured and/or union protected will not get it.

I leave at this point with thankfulness that I never had and never will have you as an educator short changing my investment of time, energy and money!

[crusader rabbit]

The real problem is that kids and their parents now see college as a right and the norm.

Absolutely correct, sir. 

And our prez Odamna announced that he wants to make it possible for everybody to go to college. 

That is wrong on so many levels, but I would point out that IMNSHO college should be only for those who have both earned and want higher education. 

That's not everybody. 

Some kids would do better in a trade school.  Some will reach their apex working at Mickey D's.  Some do not have enough on the ball to excel at anything more mentally challenging than operating a shovel.  It's just the way it is. 

But, since kindergarten we have been handing out A and B grades to kids who don't miss more than 50% of class sessions so now every little snowflake thinks they deserve everything. 

Little Johnny doesn't train, overeats, and comes in last in the 400 meter race.  He gets a trophy just like the kid who sacrificed after school time to run and push weights and train hard.

Little League teams around the country are being pressed to not keep score so unskilled little fatso bastards don't get their feelings hurt.

Meanwhile, the country is going down the drain because our college graduates expect big salaries for showing up.  They don't know how to excel at anything anymore.

I'm getting off the soapbox, now.  /rant off

Crusader

[fightingquaker13]

I could keep trying to make my point, but the tenured and/or union protected will not get it.

I leave at this point with thankfulness that I never had and never will have you as an educator short changing my investment of time, energy and money!

Try listening M58. I don't disagree with a word you've said. You are 100% right. Problem is, I live on planet earth, and stuff doesn't work that way. In my perfect world, I would teach how I wanted to who I wanted, and if you can't keep up? Bitch to your high school principal for not doing his job. It ain't my problem.
 But that's not how it works. I play the hand I'm dealt, and unions (at least at the college level) have squat to do with it. We work with what we've got. I don't like it, but that's life. If all I get are smart but ignorant people, my job ist to educate the ignorance out of them. I had a rep for being a bastard on exams, and it was deserved, but you can't be a bastard until you give them the facts, even if they should have gotten those in HS..