I Believe In Our Republic

[tombogan03884]

What it boils down to is that the majority of voters have neither the intelligence or integrity to govern themselves.
It was a small majority, just on 50%, but enough to bring about the end of the founders experiment.
We now enter the age of the "cult of the personality".
It is the gift to us of the self righteous and stupid.
Stalin
Hitler
Mao
Obama

[Timothy]

Lets not forget that the GOP made no inroads into the Senate either!  The party is most definitely out of touch with what it takes to win seats anywhere.  Playing by the rules will get you nowhere!

Everyone focused so intently on the presidency forgot that we were only a few seats short of the Senate....too bad, another missed opportunity.

[fatbaldguy]

Idiots in Missouri and Indiana cost two Senate seats.  Legitimate rape guy, and pregnancy by rape is a gift from God guy.  Those two jackwagons likely cost the ticket votes both up and down as well, and not just in Indiana and Missouri.

[Solus]

What seems obvious to me is that if the pregnancy cause by rape was God's Will, then the rape itself was also...and the rapist is just fulling the Will of God.

That established, any criminal, by the same belief system, is fulling the Will of God.  Maybe we need to start working to have criminals Canonized rather than imprisoned?

[JoeG]

There is no way we can reverse this. It's taken too long to achieve this level of dependence, laziness, and irresponsibility.

Just catching up on this thread.

No there is no GOING BACK. But there is certainly going forward into something new. Stay up on technology and you will see a consistent drive towards personal independence and individualized systems and a move away from one size fits all systemic solutions (like what comes out of DC). The Maker movement is worth looking at. They are largely gun phobic but are driving towards finding their own way of life.

We are coming out of 50 of canned news from MSM. They have lost their grip. What replaces them might not be that great for awhile but I think it will evolve.

I voted GOPish but am not one. In my view the GOP is dead not because of their religious beliefs, but because they are too invested in the old boat anchor way of being in opposition. They do not have a vision that communicates. Not bug government except when I want it is intellectually lazy.

We are moving into an age of the individual. Now if the individual is a stupid ignorant lazy lout, then things will suck. Kids in my family are none of those and most of my sons friends are not either. I am not worried about their abiities, I just feel sad that they will have relearn all the hard lessons about the vacuousness of stupid government promises.

BHO is not important in the long run simply because there is no way for DC to fix anything.  He is the last hurrah of the 60's generation belief that if everyone just did it my way then I will be happy.

I'm going hunting, y'all stay safe.

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[Jrlobo]

Well, now that we have trashed everybody including ourselves, Joe G says there is a way to move forward. Let's hear more on that. Digging the hole deeper and giving up the ship are for the Greeks, not us. A little over a year ago my son and his wife gave me my first grandchild, a girl, and I'll be damned if I will leave her an orphan to freedom. Not as long as I draw breath. So, Joe G and others like him, let's hear you and your positive thoughts.

[JdePietro]

Jde still can not grasp the fact that 3rd party was not an option, and all that self righteous fluff about "values and ideals" is so much BS. If he was opposed to Obama and his policies the ethical, honest, intelligent thing to do would be to vote for any one who had a realistic chance of beating Obama, any other action could only benefit Obama.

I have more respect for Robert Hansenn than I do for those who voted 3rd party, at least when he betrayed his nation he got a million or so out of the deal.

What is not "Ethical, honest or intelligent" about voting for a Candidate that best represents what I think a political candidate should? My poling station had a slew of Libertarian Candidates all of which I had the chance to either call and talk to or look up on the internet. After some discussion I voted for those I felt could positively impact the office they had chosen to run for. I did not however punch a party ticket and walk out. I was brought up to believe that is what voting is all about, not voting for the guy who has the best chance but rather the candidate that shares most of your views.

I am honestly shocked that so many people are both surprised that Romney lost and those who steadfastly back the clown as if he was the second coming. The guy penned the original .gov run healthcare policy. He stated repeatedly he was "No friend of the NRA" all up until he thought he could buy votes. Then he changed every view he had as Governor, put on a big smile and talked nonsense about abortion and gay rights. 

So voting for a guy that flopped all of his previous positions, held onto notions of inequality and prejudice and who never once addressed a single real issue with the opposing and current president would have somehow put me in the "honest and intelligent" category?

I'm not trying to sound self righteous, or stuck up or like I made a super superior decision that should be lauded by the masses for my out of the box styled wit. No matter who would have won that race we would still all be: Paying taxes and far too much of it, paying for entitlement programs, paying for social security and medicare, paying for UN occupation, the NDAA would still exist, the war on Drugs, the war on Terror, and all the other nonsense that leads this country into despotism. The only difference now is that the fed ain't prosecuting pot use, the gays can get married in a few more states and we are one step closer to economic collapse.

Maybe just maybe someday people might stop voting against someone and they might start voting for a candidate they actually think will make a difference, and just maybe someday we will shock the world with the collapse of the two party system. If not then my contribution makes little difference in any light, and I'll see you in the same internment camp. I'll be the one Tom is beating senseless.       

[tombogan03884]

Jde, If you can't comprehend what I have already posted in fairly simple words you ain't never gonna get it.
You are part of the problem.

[jp1]

The reason we lost this election is simple, 3 million plus Republicans did not vote and the people who voted for the libertarian party. We needed that turn out to combat the fraud in the major cities.  This is a major setback we need to all get on the same page and that is where the left has a true advantage.

I am a libertarian, but I am also educated in politics. I would love to see a true libertarian elected president, but we are a long way from that and to vote for one is misguided. It has taken the leftist progressives more than 100 years to tear us away from the constitution and our libertarian roots. Anybody who thinks we can elect a libertarian president and have things change overnight is a fool. It needs to be done in steps and will take many years and a lot of education to reverse the damage that has been done.

Romney while not perfect would have been a good start, he truly did have the intention of started to work on the serious debt problem and create jobs. During those four years it would have given us the chance to find a candidate for 2016 that was more libertarian in nature, but would have at least bought us time. Its like pinned down by an assault force and just trying to lay down enough fire until reinforcements arrive.

Those who did not vote or voted libertarian failed to see the big picture and did so on self indulgent principled arrogance, and did a great deal of damage to the cause. It will most likely take 10 years for every one year this corrupt administration is in charge to change it, and that’s assuming that it will even be possible. After the next four years we will see more then 50% of the people need Government just to survive, and the Supreme Court balance change to leftist puppets.  Assuming we have another election, good luck on electing your principled candidate.

This election was not like any before in our lifetime, and those principled voters or non-voters, while in my heart I agree with their principles, they failed to see to big picture and underestimated how important this election really was. If Romney was elected at least we would have a President who truly cared about this country, not one who wants to punish it for being too successful.

For those of you who think the house will stop him, I hate to rain on your parade but he will just do it by executive order and fight it out in the courts for years. Those who failed in this election left a Dictator in charge that will do whatever it takes to get what he wants and the media will back him up.

So strap on your boots boys this is going to be a long rocky road, and worse than you think. It’s hard to prepare for a Government Cat 7 hurricane but do your best and may God help us.

[Solus]

Well put, jp1, pretty much my sentiments.

I choose to vote for any qualified Libertarian candidate on the ballot, but in this election, the stakes were too high.

My dismay and anguish is not that the candidate I voted for, Romney, lost but that BHO won...a lost for the entire country including those who voted for him...they just haven't found out yet.

Everyone's effort should have been to keep BHO from being re-elected.