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Re: I Believe In Our Republic
« Reply #50 on: November 07, 2012, 10:31:25 PM »
I feel like I should jump in and give some support to college kids; I'm only a couple months out of grad school myself.  The problem is I really can't say much in support of the great majority of them.  There are exceptions (I would like to say I'm one, but these aren't things that you can claim.  In my opinion, they have to be shown and stated by others.), but they are few and far between.  I know a lot of folks with the same degrees I have that I'm ashamed to say have them.  Ultimately, their degrees are just as good as mine.

Most of the undergrads I've dealt with, lately, do not have "sharp minds and acute wit."  They are "vetted" by how well they can take a standardized test (A textbook racket, but that's a different discussion.) and if they can pay.  Granted, they can fail out if they try to.

I'll be generous and give most grad students I've dealt with "sharp minds and acute wit."  The problem there is that does not mean they use them all the time, make the best decisions, or see the whole picture.  Like I said earlier, I have a lot of very liberal friends that are thrilled at the results of the election.  I admit to agreeing with several of the reasons they voted for him (science and natural resources, primarily), but I do not think the benefits of him being in office outweighed the risks/costs.  For example, I and many of them work in a field where firearms are a key tool and a primary finacier (Pittman-Robertson).  They don't think about him removing them from us and, therefore, eliminating that tool and income. 

I'll agree with, JdePietro, about some of the downright stupid comments related to science, etc. made recently by Republican politicians hurting them.  They were greatly mocked and ridiculed for them, and it did not help the party as a whole.  However, I don't think they actually changed that many if any of the votes of people I know.  They may have motivated people to vote though.  For the record, I am a Christian, albeit a struggling one at the moment.

I've spent a lot of time in and around colleges and have formed an opinion on college attendance.  Granted, it was a little before my time, and I'm working off of my understanding with a little generalization.  A high school degree used to be an important thing to have in order to "advance" through many careers.  A college degree was something very special and a really big plus in those same careers.  Those that didn't finish high school and, especially, the majority who didn't go to college learned a trade.  They were able to advance that trade and become prosperous with it.  Now, a highschool diploma is an everyday, "no big deal, everybody has one" item.  You are expected to go to college and get a degree for most fields and have to get an advanced degree for many of them.  I have learned and very much believe that college is not for everyone.  Some people just aren't designed for it, and that is not a bad thing.  These are the ones that shouldn't be there but should be learning a trade.  However, they don't do it; they limp through college because that is "what they're supposed to do."

I can say without a doubt that I am not a "beer guzzling savage."  Despite how many times I've crawled back in at weird hours and hung out it bars, I have never drank a drop of alcohol and don't intend to.  For that reason, I make a dang fine DD.  I can't claim to not occaisionally instigate the drinking of it by others because drunk people can be funny.  ;)

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Re: I Believe In Our Republic
« Reply #51 on: November 08, 2012, 02:30:52 PM »
Its ok guys, I know that right now you are mad, probably down right furious at the results. I am sure not thrilled either. Instead of a pragmatic leader who could bring us out of this downward spiral we got... Well we got what we deserve I suppose. If it feels good to blame me, 1 voter who voted his conscience and standards then so be it, I mean one person shouldn't hold true to his values and ideals that's silly when so much is at stake. I guess while we are at it me and 1 million other voters can be held accountable for the GOP's failure to pull themselves out of the 20's. Why should we acknowledge all of the constitution when we can just pick and choose the parts we like.

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Re: I Believe In Our Republic
« Reply #52 on: November 08, 2012, 04:14:07 PM »
Minus the condescention and Bible bashing, I think Jde might sort of be on to something somewhat.  I think the GOP would be well.served by either getting out of morality politics, at least at the Federal level.  Let the States decide, a la Amendment 10.  If California wants to have abortion, let them.  If Montana doesn't, don't force them to. If a candidate said "As President, it is not my place to meddle in State level issues," they make anybody that does look bad, and more importantly, they stop trying to legislate things that are none of their business.
We regular folks need to not give in. I'm not going to look my kids in the eyes and tell them I quit when things got tough.  It'll take as long to fix things as it took to get here.  But that doesn't mean we stop. It means we prepare for a struggle that will outlast most of us, and push forward.

But hey, that's just me.

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Re: I Believe In Our Republic
« Reply #53 on: November 08, 2012, 04:34:07 PM »
JdePietro,

I didn't say a word about who you chose to cast your ballot for.  My comments were aimed at the college kid comment and even that doesn't include ALL kids as mkm pointed out.

Would your vote have put PA in the win column?  Doubtful, but 10 million of them in strategic states might have.  I don't think that the libertarian party has 10 million active members though since Doc Paul only got 500K in 2000...

  As someone has already pointed out, the Grand Old Party is out of touch with more than 50% of the voting block, plain and simple.  There are surely some issues that I could give two turds about!  The Constitution is what matters to me and it's being decimated by the left.

I'll be moving back to the Independent column again since my vote means nothing here.  At least I can chose primary on both sides.

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Re: I Believe In Our Republic
« Reply #54 on: November 08, 2012, 05:14:32 PM »
Well we got what we deserve I suppose.

And just how do you "suppose" that?

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Re: I Believe In Our Republic
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Re: I Believe In Our Republic
« Reply #55 on: November 08, 2012, 06:50:46 PM »
We're getting what Jde and his sort deserve.
I haven't seen a break down of electoral votes but 500,000 "libertarian" votes would have put Romney well over the top on the popular votes.
Jde still can not grasp the fact that 3rd party was not an option, and all that self righteous fluff about "values and ideals" is so much BS.
If he was opposed to Obama and his policies the ethical, honest, intelligent thing to do would be to vote for any one who had a realistic chance of beating Obama, any other action could only benefit Obama.

I have more respect for Robert Hansenn than I do for those who voted 3rd party, at least when he betrayed his nation he got a million or so out of the deal.

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Re: I Believe In Our Republic
« Reply #56 on: November 08, 2012, 06:56:13 PM »
How does 500K move the popular vote 3,000,000 votes to sway it to Romney?  I'm not getting your point...

Strategically placed in specific districts most assuredly could have swung VA, FL maybe even OH.

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Re: I Believe In Our Republic
« Reply #57 on: November 08, 2012, 07:35:05 PM »
3rd party politics is not ready for prime time, yet. People who tun for President as a 3rd party candidate and their supporters live in a fantasy land, or they just want to be able to congratulate each other on how politically sophisticated they are to notinstream.  If somebody wanted to actually have a viable 3rd party, they'd start at the State and Congressional levels, and build a support base from there.  Instead, ineffectual candidates and their followers walk around being impressed with themselves and talking down to people that voted "mainstream." Get over yourselves, hold your nose and pull the lever for the least destructive Presidential candidate.  Leave the 3rd party stuff to places where it actually has a chance at success.
I don't know how much of a difference the other votes would have made, I'm just tired of the snotty, stuck up people who think everyone that votes for a popular candidate is some kind of idiot and is beneath them.
Sorry, I blacked out there for a second ;)

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Re: I Believe In Our Republic
« Reply #58 on: November 08, 2012, 07:46:42 PM »
How does 500K move the popular vote 3,000,000 votes to sway it to Romney? I'm not getting your point...

Strategically placed in specific districts most assuredly could have swung VA, FL maybe even OH.

My second hand understanding was that there was only a couple hundred thousand votes difference.
I should have known better, the same source reported record turn outs and I am finding out that it was quite the opposite, lower than 08 possibly lower than 04.

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Re: I Believe In Our Republic
« Reply #59 on: November 08, 2012, 07:54:47 PM »
My second hand understanding was that there was only a couple hundred thousand votes difference.
I should have known better, the same source reported record turn outs and I am finding out that it was quite the opposite, lower than 08 possibly lower than 04.

The difference was 2,800,000 (+/-) in the popular but Johnson got 1,138,060 so far.  That 1.14m could have certainly swayed several swing states in the Electoral....add the Green party and their 400K  who knows!

 

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