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Semiautomatic ban by decree
« on: November 21, 2012, 04:07:00 PM »
This article brings up even more questions on implementation of regulation if enacted at all.


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Obama administration rumored to be considering semiautomatic ban by decree

Prominent gun rights advocate John Snyder warns that the Obama administration, well aware of the unlikelihood of congressional complicity in Obama's agenda of banning so-called "assault weapons" and "high capacity" magazines, might simply bypass Congress in pursuit of that sick, criminal agenda.

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An anti-gun owner initiative considered in Washington could lead to massive civil disobedience and a severe domestic crisis,” gun law expert John M. Snyder said today.

“According to confidential information,” he continued, “forces linked with the administration suggest the government classify semiautomatic firearms and multiple capacity ammunition feeding devices as Title 2 National Firearms Act items under the Gun Control Act of 1968.

“Under this scenario, semiautomatics and high capacity magazines could be acquired only with great difficulty and at great expense by America’s estimated 100 million law-abiding firearms owners.”



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If the Second Amendment did not exist, and there were thus no Constitutional protection of the fundamental human right of the individual to keep and bear arms, this would still be blatantly unconstitutional. If there were no Tenth Amendment, and thus no Constitutional prohibition against federal regulation of that which the Constitution does not explicitly empower the federal government to regulate, this would still be blatantly unconstitutional. The Constitution's mandated separation of powers is by itself enough to deny this scheme any pretense of legitimacy.

St. Louis Gun Rights Examiner is in no place to evaluate the quality of Mr. Snyder's confidential sources, and admittedly, this rumor brings with it more questions than answers. What, for example, would be done about all the semiautomatics (and "high capacity" magazines) already in circulation (with the vast majority, thankfully, not registered or traceable)? How would the BATFE, already well beyond its competence in maintaining an accurate registry of machine guns, ever manage the vastly larger job of registering and monitoring the tens of millions of newly restricted guns and magazines?

Still, though, Obama's hostility to an armed American citizenry is well documented, as is his willingness to bypass Congress when that darned Constitution and its inconvenient separation of powers get in the way.

What he needs to realize is that this move, if he makes it, would start a war. It is not a war he would win.

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-administration-rumored-to-be-considering-semiautomatic-ban-by-decree


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Re: Semiautomatic ban by decree
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2012, 04:22:31 PM »
I dislike confidential sources.  Very hard to verify information, shows disrespect for the side you are supposed to be working for (a BHO insider breaking the rules without the balls to admit it), and fuels the other side's argument that we are all uninformed paranoid idiots - Do we want to go down the "birther" road again?
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Re: Semiautomatic ban by decree
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2012, 04:36:26 PM »
I dislike confidential sources.  Very hard to verify information, shows disrespect for the side you are supposed to be working for (a BHO insider breaking the rules without the balls to admit it), and fuels the other side's argument that we are all uninformed paranoid idiots - Do we want to go down the "birther" road again?

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This article brings up even more questions on implementation of regulation if enacted at all.
....... This was more of a what-if thing....... as in if they did ban them, and make it retroactive, how would they enforce it without starting an all-out war? Hose to house confiscation would be problematic due to time frame and man power.

A lot of folks are speculatin' about a lot o' things these days.......

Link with video:

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/11/20/obama-may-skirt-congress-to-ban-semiautomatics/#ixzz2CtIscQCy
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Re: Semiautomatic ban by decree
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2012, 04:45:13 PM »
If they go house to house they won't have much fun with me, I sold my rifles and shotguns at gun shows and lost the my pistols  when I was in a boat over a very deep lake while we were target shooting.  Shame.....I will miss them dearly;-)  "Out of my cold dead hands" sounds much braver, but I am sticking with my story above.
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Re: Semiautomatic ban by decree
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2012, 04:48:52 PM »
If they go house to house they won't have much fun with me, I sold my rifles and shotguns at gun shows and lost the my pistols  when I was in a boat over a very deep lake while we were target shooting.  Shame.....I will miss them dearly;-)  "Out of my cold dead hands" sounds much braver, but I am sticking with my story above.

"Sorry officer, all mine were stolen.... by a young guy wearing a hoodie and an 'I Love Obama' baseball cap."  :o
"I expect perdition, I always have. I keep this building at my back, and several guns handy, in case perdition arrives in a form that's susceptible to bullets. I expect it will come in the disease form, though. I'm susceptible to diseases, and you can't shoot a damned disease." ~ Judge Roy Bean, Streets of Laredo

For the Patriots of this country, the Constitution is second only to the Bible for most. For those who love this country, but do not share my personal beliefs, it is their Bible. To them nothing comes before the Constitution of these United States of America. For this we are all labeled potential terrorists. ~ Dean Garrison

"When it comes to the enemy, just because they ain't pullin' a trigger, doesn't mean they ain't totin' ammo for those that are."~PegLeg

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Re: Semiautomatic ban by decree
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Re: Semiautomatic ban by decree
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2012, 05:11:04 PM »
"Sorry officer, all mine were stolen.... by a young guy wearing a hoodie and an 'I Love Obama' baseball cap."  :o
We REALLY need a "Like" button on DRTV, that was brilliant Peg!!!  Gon'na be laughing about that for a while!
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Re: Semiautomatic ban by decree
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2012, 05:47:44 PM »
The second this happens there will be a far outcry beyond us gun owners. "By decree" is fanatic speak got Executive Order. His window to do this is extremely limited and he would need to pick a bigger issue to piggy back off so it could be masked.

The congress, whether for it against the act, will not tolerate such legislation being passed without their hands all over it.

Politicians are greedy about things like that...
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Re: Semiautomatic ban by decree
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2012, 05:52:06 PM »
The second this happens there will be a far outcry beyond us gun owners. "By decree" is fanatic speak got Executive Order. His window to do this is extremely limited and he would need to pick a bigger issue to piggy back off so it could be masked.

The congress, whether for it against the act, will not tolerate such legislation being passed without their hands all over it.

Politicians are greedy about things like that...

Crap, 1/2 to 3/4 of US gun owners would go ahead and turn them in, cuz it's the law.
You're expecting an awful lot out of a bunch of sheep who can be controlled with a set of lights.

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Re: Semiautomatic ban by decree
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2012, 06:43:38 PM »
He won Virginia, Florida, Ohio and Michigan.What are the odds of another Dem doing that EVER if he pulled this crap? It wouldn't be us he'd have to worry about, it would be the DNC.

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Re: Semiautomatic ban by decree
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2012, 07:09:05 PM »
He won Virginia, Florida, Ohio and Michigan.What are the odds of another Dem doing that EVER if he pulled this crap? It wouldn't be us he'd have to worry about, it would be the DNC.

Just shows how ill informed you are.
It's one of the planks of the DNC platform which I have posted at least twice, with links.

 

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