FBI analysis of a shoot out - NSFW and the squeamish

[sledgemeister]

WARNING CONTAINS IMAGES WHICH MAY CAUSE DISTRESS
Attached is a FBI analysis of a shoot out with a guy armed with a .45 and them with .40 cals and .223s

I found it very interesting and noteworthy especially the last sentence!

Here is the link http://concealedcarryholsters.org/wp-content/files/FBI-Analysis-on-PA-Police-Shootout.pdf

[MikeBjerum]

WARNING CONTAINS IMAGES WHICH MAY CAUSE DISTRESS
Attached is a FBI analysis of a shoot out with a guy armed with a .45 and them with .40 cals and .223s

I found it very interesting and noteworthy especially the last sentence!

Here is the link http://concealedcarryholsters.org/wp-content/files/FBI-Analysis-on-PA-Police-Shootout.pdf

Doh!!!

[Jrlobo]

2 center mass, 1 head. 2 center mass, 1 head. How many times have we heard that? Practiced it? But, everything changes when you are in a real gunfight and your buds are taking hits! Especially with minimally trained locals. And the assailant has the time to reload loose rounds into his mags, all in 3.5 mins? Wow!!

[fightingquaker13]

2 center mass, 1 head. 2 center mass, 1 head. How many times have we heard that? Practiced it? But, everything changes when you are in a real gunfight and your buds are taking hits! Especially with minimally trained locals. And the assailant has the time to reload loose rounds into his mags, all in 3.5 mins? Wow!!

107 rounds fired and 17 hits? Sounds bad, but when you're ambushed and taking fire from out of nowhere and your buddy is hit? Its probably not half bad.

[Ichiban]

He was also hit five times in the chest and abdomen.  All rounds penetrated less than 1". 
All of the rounds expanded fully but did not cause incapacitation due to the lack of penetration. 
According to the Medical Examiner, none of the rounds caused any life threatening injuries. 
The subject also received one round into the front of his throat, it penetrated less than 1" as well. 
The Medical Examiner stated that the recovered rounds were in pristine condition (still had rifling marks on
them).

There's more to this story than is being released.  NFW a 180 grain .40S&W 1.) penetrates less than 1", 2.) expanded fully with 1" of penetration.  Something doesn't add up here. 

Paging Dr. Mallard.  Paging Dr Donald Mallard.  Please report to the Medical Examiner's lab.

[Sponsor]

[ZombieTactics]

There's more to this story than is being released.  NFW a 180 grain .40S&W 1.) penetrates less than 1", 2.) expanded fully with 1" of penetration.  Something doesn't add up here. ...

I think you misread the presentation.

[tombogan03884]

I think you misread the presentation.

He quoted what was reported on the website which the FBI examination proved was BS

FTA
Facts
• Six .40 S&W rounds, five which expanded, were
recovered on autopsy.
• It is impossible for .40 S&W 180 gr. JHP
ammunition to expand with only 1 in. or less
penetration in a human body.
• After all .223 rounds had been fired, assailant was
hit with 180 gr. Gold Dot in right arm above the
elbow.
• Officers had to “fight” assailant in order to get
handcuffed.

[fightingquaker13]

THe local ME's office was screwy or they were shooting at an alien. Nothing about those facts add up.

[Ichiban]

I think you misread the presentation.

How so?  Didn't the FBI's report make the same assertions that I did?  The GDs simply can't perform the way the ME's report indicate.

If the Medical Examiner's report is accurate, how did these rounds get is such shape with so little penetration?  There is no mention of shooting through barriers nor even any allusion to that (that is mentioned in a reference to a previous shooting).  The bullet in his throat looks pretty pristine in the x-ray.

If I missed something in the little bit of information that was presented I would not be the least bit offended if it was pointed out.  Just a lot of stuff here that doesn't add up.

[tombogan03884]

No Ichiban, the opening was what was reported via web, the actual FBI findings were at the end.