More Sandy Hook inconsistencies, Katie Couric interview

[crusader rabbit]

While anything is possible, do you really think our government has the capability of pulling off a conspiracy of this magnitude? Think about it realistically for just a minute. This is the same government who got caught trying to pull off Watergate. Which was nothing more than a bungled hotel room break in...  ...This is the same government that got caught feeding weapons to the Contras. This is the same government that got caught trying to undermine Second Amendment rights by letting illegal straw purchasers walk from Arizona gun shops with as many as 20 AK-47's in one purchase, not thinking it would cause any concern.

Just to add one more observation to BillT's excellent post...  This is the same government whose "Chief Spy," David Patraeus, couldn't keep his extra-marital affair secret.  The Chief of the CIA... Busted in "Bimbo-Gate."  If the guy who knows better how to do clandestine ops better than anyone else can't keep an affair secret, how could anyone think that...  Sheesh.  This kind of stuff drives me up the proverbial walls...

It is simply illogical to assume our government could pull off anything of this magnitude and keep it secret.  At least some of the participants would go public for their own 15 minutes of fame.

Discharged weapons at gun shows (with a government connection) to strengthen the cause of gun banners?  Plausible, but only because the perpetrator would be one person acting alone. 

But the murder of 26 possibly imaginary people with actors playing their parents and friends?  Nah!  Cover up requires complicity of too many uncontrollable elements. 

This atrocity was orchestrated by a disturbed freak, acting alone, doing heinous, unbelievably evil deeds.  And while that was an awful lot, that's all it was.  To try and make it more than this through advancing some incredibly unlikely conspiracy theory approaches delusional behavior.

Crusader

[Ksail101]

Bill. I don't think they did the whole thing. But I do feel the wound the toy and let it run. Like in the Aurora Colorado shooting I truly believe there was a second person involved. Too much evidence supports it along with a large sum of money that had to be established up front to by all weapons and ammo. Plus gas masks cs gernades and everything else.

So what I mean by it all is tragic events accrued but the exact truth or the truth that is in the evidence is being released at will and not entirely. It is being filtered to fit an agenda. There are facts being left out, muddled, and lied about and then explained simply as caught in the moment when they are shown to be false. I believe there has been coaching of the families of the police chief and others before interviews to help steer them in a direction. I believe this Lamza guy had help. There is no way I would let a guy in the school which they said had to happen for him to enter looking bulky and carrying a rifle. Which must of happened. And grusome as it may be why have they not at least released the video of him entering the school. It's like the 2 frames cut from the pentagon video during 9/11 and all video in the area being confiscated and those that saw it sworn to secrecy under punishment by the highest degree. What's in those 2-3 frames. What will we see in those 2-3 frames and what will we see at the school in those videos. You would think the easiest thing to get right in this case is the number of guns and guns used and or found that day from the people in field wearing camo to the ones at the school. That can't even be determined. With the round counts for each gun changing consistently to fit the AWB/mag ban. It was a Glock no it was a shot gun no it was an AR that has changed by who's mouth is on stage spitting their venom.

So no I don't thing the government orchestrated everything I think they have controlled the perception. We used to call that psy-ops in the miltary. The people that went in before us and dropped pamphlets on the iraqi's and told them don't mind the bombs we are here to help.

[tombogan03884]

Bill and CR have a valid point about incompetence, however they overlook one glaring fact that shoots them both down in flames.
The fact that so many questions are being asked means they did not get away with it, if in fact they did it .

[Solus]

While anything is possible, do you really think our government has the capability of pulling off a conspiracy of this magnitude? Think about it realistically for just a minute. This is the same government who got caught trying to pull off Watergate. Which was nothing more than a bungled hotel room break in. It happens successfully every night of the week in hotels across America. Usually by idiots looking for their next drug fix. This is the same government that got caught feeding weapons to the Contras. This is the same government that got caught trying to undermine Second Amendment rights by letting illegal straw purchasers walk from Arizona gun shops with as many as 20 AK-47's in one purchase, not thinking it would cause any concern.

Now, all of a sudden this same government has this magical ability and talent to fake Moon landings, attack ourselves on 9/11, and to frost the cake and light the candles.......Fake a grade school attack, along with the deaths and funerals of 20 kids involving hundreds of family members. And possess the ability to pull it all off without a hitch??? That's giving a lot of credit to a government that can barely walk and chew gum at the same time. I'd put more money on a street gang burglarizing Fort Knox.

Well, you have shown they are foolish enough to try it....and it appears they might be getting caught again.

And I don't propose they MAY have faked the funerals, just who did the killing. 

And about the "magical ability".  Just because they didn't try some of those hoaxes doesn't mean they didn't try this one...like they tried the Contra Arms deal and Watergate. 

[billt]

There is just no way this could have been a conspiracy. It involves too many people putting a false story out, and at the same time keeping their mouth shut when required to do so. Is the liberal media covering up things by not reporting anything that might be a blemish on Hussein, or would hinder his gun control scheme developing out of it? Sure, one only has to look at Benghazi. If it weren't for Fox News most of America would not have known it happened. Fox kept pushing it, just like they did with Jon Hammer being held in a Mexican prison on a bum gun charge. Bill O'Reilly made such a stink about it they had no choice but to let him go. Yet, according to Jay Carney, both he and Hussein didn't even know about the kid. They would have had to be living in a ice cave in Antarctica not to. Fox pushed the story every night in prime time for over 2 weeks.

Reporters were crawling all over Sandy Hook for days asking everyone and anyone everything. Fox News, who looks for anything that puts Hussein in a bad light, reported nothing out of the ordinary. When this many people are gathered in a single place to report an event, there is bound to be some crossing up of information. Or else some outright falsehoods in the earliest of reports. But there is just no way a government that pretty much bungles everything they touch, could have possibly pulled this off, even if they had David Copperfield and Cris Angel working for them doing background prep work.

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[Solus]

Bill, how many folks would it take to kidnap the fall guy, kill his mother, drive to the school, have one member of the team go inside, do the deed, drag the guy in and execute him inside keeping witnesses at bay or dead?

Might be two or three guys.  

[billt]

Bill, how many folks would it take to kidnap the fall guy, kill his mother, drive to the school, have one member of the team go inside, do the deed, drag the guy in and execute him inside keeping witnesses at bay or dead?

Might be two or three guys.  

As I said, anything is possible. It just requires how much you want to believe it. I don't. This was a nut job going off the rails. It's happened before, and it will happen again. The difference is now we've got a country full of pandering socialist politicians, who will use it as a 5 meter spring board for launching new ways to disarm the people through additional gun control. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Solus]

As I said, anything is possible. It just requires how much you want to believe it. I don't. This was a nut job going off the rails. It's happened before, and it will happen again. The difference is now we've got a country full of pandering socialist politicians, who will use it as a 5 meter spring board for launching new ways to disarm the people through additional gun control. Nothing more, nothing less.

I do agree that is the most likely possibility, maybe  90%.

I put the percentage so low because of the glaring inconsistencies....which might be due to biased and rushed reporting.

[Tyler Durden]

I never once said the kids weren't dead or weren't killed.

Obviously if anything were to be believed about that "Iron River of guns" flowing into Mexico, then hundreds if not thousands of Mexicans  were killed including women and children.

That illustrates to me that this administration could care less about 100 brown kids south of the border.  What makes you think they would care any more about 20 white kids in Connecticut?

As far as the .gov and the success rates of its past conspiracies or operations, somehow I doubt they are "Oh for five" but closer to twenty-five out of thirty.

How about the internment camps for the Japanese?

Or here in the 60's in St. Louis, the spraying of flourescing chemicals including cadmium to supposedly test the effects of radioactive fallout.

Look at how complicit our media is with a democratic administration.

Yeah, I suspect the media turned a simple hotel room break in from a mole hill into a mountain.

Remember seeing Ollie North pleading the fifth just about every day in the summer of 1987.  Again, a republican administration.

Compare that to the softball handling of Whitewater and a blow job in the Oval Office and the subsequent finger wagging at the camera.  Fast forward to yesterday and a seemimgly mad Hillary Clinton smacking the table asking what difference does it make, then just as a Republican legislator is going to ask her some more hard quedtions, the video footage is cleverly cropped short and switches to a view of the State Department building.

[Tyler Durden]

I never once said the kids weren't dead or weren't killed.

Obviously if anything were to be believed about that "Iron River of guns" flowing into Mexico, then hundreds if not thousands of Mexicans  were killed including women and children.

That illustrates to me that this administration could care less about 100 brown kids south of the border.  What makes you think they would care any more about 20 white kids in Connecticut?

As far as the .gov and the success rates of its past conspiracies or operations, somehow I doubt they are "Oh for five" but closer to twenty-five out of thirty.

How about the internment camps for the Japanese?

EDIT: or the Tuskegee syphillis experiments
Or here in the 60's in St. Louis, the spraying of flourescing chemicals including cadmium to supposedly test the effects of radioactive fallout.

Look at how complicit our media is with a democratic administration.

Yeah, I suspect the media turned a simple hotel room break in from a mole hill into a mountain.

Remember seeing Ollie North pleading the fifth just about every day in the summer of 1987.  Again, a republican administration.

Compare that to the softball handling of Whitewater and a blow job in the Oval Office and the subsequent finger wagging at the camera.  Fast forward to yesterday and a seemimgly mad Hillary Clinton smacking the table asking what difference does it make, then just as a Republican legislator is going to ask her some more hard quedtions, the video footage is cleverly cropped short and switches to a view of the State Department building.