Author Topic: Dorner: What Lessons are there?  (Read 12209 times)

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Re: Dorner: What Lessons are there?
« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2013, 06:34:02 AM »
It's George Bush's fault.

Heck yeah.  Pass the kool-aide.  

Honestly, might it also have something to do with tourist income, negative PR and getting that area off the nightly news with the bad PR?  Which if true says it is OK to kill to $$$$ which is akin to what Tom is saying.  I'm just sayin'.  

If Dorner set the fire, fine let him burn.  If he did not set the fire why send in something that may start a fire?  The truth of the matter is we all "know" that the guy was guilty...OK, I even think he was guilty through-and-through.  But this is where the due process sucks and protecting citizenship rights for us all comes in.... and yes it's a bad deal for the people who have to enforce it.  If someone sent in something to burn him down then the truth is if they start to do it for "bad guys" then they'll do it to the "good guys" too.  

Somebody quoted Waco...that was a stunt to get the ATF money as well as there was a political movement at the time to highlight dangerous groups and militias for some reason.  The sheriff of the county there stated that they could have arrested Koresh at any time....and Koresh went into town twice a week like clockwork it could have been done outside the compound and the Sheriff was quoted as saying he told the ATF that before the raid.  This was quoted in the New Orleans Times Picayune news paper without refute...which is also where the operation was run from (actually on Lake Rd just across the canal in Metairie about 3 blocks up the road from where I once lived).  Additionally, the ATF tried to recruit other agencies in the area and called the Customs Office in Lafayette, LA where a friend of mine worked (there was an office there at the time).  My friend's boss saw it for the sham it was and said no....ATF tried to intimidate him and the Custom's guy said his people were unavailable on a need-to-know mission....ATF demanded to know what it was and Custom's told them to pound sand.  

Bottom line, the Sheriff was quoted saying the nickel-and-dime arms charge was nothing compared to the capital murder arrest he had previously made on Koresh and Koresh's number 1 Lt. previously where the Sheriff walked into the compound, announced what he was there for and Koresh came along willingly arrested and shackled. No resistance whatsoever for a charge that you can be executed for vs. the ATF charge that may have resulted in some prison time...in contrast.  And do I ever remember seeing the ATF manager responsible for this tragedy on Channel 6 news doing all he could do to salvage his career dodging questions....like he didn't care about what was happening to people, i.e. citizens we don't like, he was clearly concerned with his own hide....disgusting.

My point is there is a wrong and right way to do things.  It sucks if someone in enforcement get's killed....it sucks even more when enforcement begins to terrorize the public with black ninja suits and no-knocks and kills innocent people and intimidates the public....not that this happens, right?  So being in enforcement to me means sometimes to "serve and protect" and that a sacrifice really has to happen to preserve the rights of the citizen in the land of the free or we are not free at all....so let's move on about that or if someone in enforcement is stuck on burning an SOB out when he's bad and it's OK because of that (the person is bad) then they need to be a mall ninja somewhere.

Gun owners are citizens that can be demonized and dehumanized....IN FACT IT IS HAPPENING NOW...CAN'T YOU SEE?

Once you are dehumanized, in the same manner as a FETUS, then of what value is your life?  

We have to work the politics right now because there is a political movement to eliminate our 2nd Amendment protections (the right is God given not given by decree of law...) and to do so misrepresentative lying, demonizing and dehumanizing is rampant from the left...tomorrow may well be too late to write or call your local politician or to donate to the NRA.

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Re: Dorner: What Lessons are there?
« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2013, 09:35:09 AM »
Following on Rastus's comment I'll bring up this administrations drone murders.
When I found fault with the Govt murder of US citizen Alawi many on here came up with all sorts of BS justification about "He was a terrorist", "He was waging war against the US" .
Can you also justify the missile murder 2 weeks later of his Detroit born 16 year old son who was never accused of anything ?

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Re: Dorner: What Lessons are there?
« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2013, 10:12:04 AM »
Even friggin' JEFFREY DAHMER got a trial. This IS the United States of America, right?
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Re: Dorner: What Lessons are there?
« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2013, 10:25:33 AM »
No, it's not.
It's the Kingdom of Obamaland, ruled by the dictatorship of the easily lead.

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Re: Dorner: What Lessons are there?
« Reply #54 on: February 15, 2013, 03:31:42 PM »
Following on Rastus's comment I'll bring up this administrations drone murders.
When I found fault with the Govt murder of US citizen Alawi many on here came up with all sorts of BS justification about "He was a terrorist", "He was waging war against the US" .
Can you also justify the missile murder 2 weeks later of his Detroit born 16 year old son who was never accused of anything ?

And expanding on Tom's comment above this is why it is important to have leadership that is not RINO in the Republican party.  RINO's want to emulate the Dems to steal votes so...they would support something just exactly what Tom's stating above and have supported that.  Again, it sucks to be restrained at times but it's better for the nation to value citizens and follow due process.
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Re: Dorner: What Lessons are there?
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Re: Dorner: What Lessons are there?
« Reply #55 on: February 15, 2013, 04:37:16 PM »
Well, this might explain why he was killed.   L.A City Council pledged $100,000 reward.


The $1 million pledged by the city was "for information that will lead to Mr. Dorner's capture." Another $100,000 pledged by the L.A. City Council had similar language, stating the money was for information "leading to the identification, apprehension and conviction of Christopher Dorner."


Since Dorner was never captured, apprehended or convicted, and instead died Tuesday night during a dramatic standoff near Big Bear, Calif., when the cabin he barricaded himself in burned down with him inside, the terms were not met.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/15/1m-reward-for-christopher-dorner-may-go-uncollected/
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Re: Dorner: What Lessons are there?
« Reply #56 on: February 16, 2013, 01:23:01 AM »

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Re: Dorner: What Lessons are there?
« Reply #57 on: February 16, 2013, 01:28:08 AM »
Not sure I agree with that. Just taking an example from the Afghans. They have managed to keep us mired down for 11 years. Not a huge force either. But by using guerrilla tactics they have held their own. Although, it doesn't appear that the same handcuffing ROE applies for U.S. Citizens.

the US signed a treat where we can't use CS gas on the battlefield or against combatants.  it's on wikipedia, you can look it up if you want.

the theory was if CS gas were to be used by one side, the other side would respond with Mustard gas or Sarin.


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Re: Dorner: What Lessons are there?
« Reply #58 on: February 16, 2013, 01:32:52 AM »
Plan your fight and fight your plan while keeping it stupidly simple.

No plan survives first contact.

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Re: Dorner: What Lessons are there?
« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2013, 01:42:21 AM »
No plan survives INTACT first contact.

FIFY.  There is always a plan, it just may not resemble the original by the time the fight is over  ;D
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