Ammo Shortage.....Intentional?

[bruchi]

Fifth grade teacher some decades ago told me something quite smart I will never forget, if you are in doubt about something apply math to it, math does not lie and never fails, 2+2 will add to 4 every time.

Don't recall the actual numbers, 40 million rounds? NOT BILLIONS but the thing about DHS ordering oodles of ammunition has been around for some time and taking in account first of all that this huge orders are done in such amounts both to secure an ongoing supply down the line and perhaps even a "better price", a GIANT truck convoy does not back up with millions of rounds at once, takes years for this "order" to materialize so you factor this in and all of their employees, that need to practice and qualify with firearms and the amount is more than reasonable.

DHS ia a giant umbrella with lots of federal agencies under it.

Of curse when the irresponsible media does not show the entire picture and just sells us a "blurb" with them huge numbers next to a government agency in bold letters it feeds our need for drama and there we go like the proverbial Pavlovian frog legs!

Some say that when in doubt the first thing that comes to mind is most often the correct one, when there are empty LGS all over the country because of an ongoing "buying frenzy" by old and MANY NEW gun owners first thing that comes to mind is that this "buying frenzy" includes ammo as well, more so in the most popular calibers...

[Jrlobo]

bruchi,

      Let me add this up" 1.6 Billion rounds of ammo; 7,700 assault rifles; 2,700 light armored tanks; drones; 420 Million survival meals all at once and all for DHS subordinates. And WE are blowing this out of proportion? Admittedly, we are the hoarders; we started before the rush by those wanting to buy ARs and ammo after the election and the Newtown Massacre. So when the government hoards this adds to shortages we now experience, not a smart economic move by government that prefers orderly markets...unless it is intentional! This is going to be the tip of the iceberg. The real danger is what in hell is the government going to do with all of that?

[tombogan03884]

I will point out that FEMA comes under DHS so how long would those MRE's last in Hurricane season if Miami got hit, or NYC again ?
Earthquake in LA, San Francisco/Oakland , or Seattle ?

[Ichiban]

Also, it looks like it is the Navy/USMC that is buying the 2717 MRAPs.  DHS has 16.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/41713_Fact_Checking-_Obama_DHS_Purchases_2700_Light-Armored_Tanks

Update 1: Business Insider confirms this report and DHS is only in possession of 16 MRAP and the USMC getting the 2,717:

http://www.businessinsider.com/homeland-security-serving-warrants-mrap-2013-3

The Gov is scary enough the way it is.

[BBJohnnyT]

No, I actually got your comment, it just seemed like to good a chance to point out that "value" is nothing more than perception.

Right, that why the same things cost more and more American dollars each year.  We call that inflation, but it all boils down to perception.  With more fake money the government put out each year backed by nothing but their "word", people's perception is that money is "worth" less and less.  Contrast that with precious metals.  It's not an investment, because it doesn't gain value.  It simply maintains value as folks perceive it.  For example, a 150 years ago, a 1 ounce gold coin would get a tailor to make you a nice suit.  Today, that same 1 ounce gold coin would get a tailor to make you a nice suit.

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[Jrlobo]

BBJohnnyT,

      Depends on what you characterize as a nice suit. I personally don't own a suit valued at $1690, nor one that cost that much. I understand what you are trying to say, but the value of gold on the world market is not just pegged to the value of the U.S. dollar. Mixed in is the supply and demand quotient and, for the last 10 years, a fear quotient. Mostly hidden from view also is the government quotient, wherein governments manipulate (suppress) the gold and other precious metals markets to suit their own ends. You are definitely right about value being nothing more than perception, because otherwise gold would be relatively worthless.

[Solus]

Found a link on the JFPO site  (http://jpfo.org/alerts2013/alert20130603.htm ) to an article about the US ammunition market that puts the Gov. purchases in perspective  It looks like it government ammo purchases can't be targeted at depleting the ammo supply....not that all that ammo might not mean other bad things.

From the article:

 Other rumors concern acquisitions of ammunition by the Department of Homeland Security and a number of smaller agencies.  Much of this concern stems from a misunderstanding of the size of the U.S. ammunition market.  While the amount of ammunition some agencies have sought to buy seems impressive at a glance, it's far less so when spread out over a multi-year contract and over the tens of thousands of armed federal agents who engage in regular firearm training and qualification.  And even if federal agencies bought all of the ammunition for which they've recently solicited proposals, it would still amount to only about three percent of total domestic ammunition production.


Link to article   http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2013/5/rumor-control-ammo-shortages-revisited!.aspx

[PABLO DEL NORTE]

  SO WHERE IS ALL THE .22 AT?? THE FEDS DON'T BUY .22 OR DO THEY , SO WE CAN'T??
JUST CURIOUS WHAT YA'LL THINK 'CUZ .22's ARE NOWHERE TO BE FOUND!!   

[anurud]

 
Can you answer this Q?
answers

[Rastus]

SO WHERE IS ALL THE .22 AT?? THE FEDS DON'T BUY .22 OR DO THEY , SO WE CAN'T??
JUST CURIOUS WHAT YA'LL THINK 'CUZ .22's ARE NOWHERE TO BE FOUND!!   

Two things?   

First, I think it is because "Uncle Fudd"...you know, the guys who are much like Zumbo and Metcalf, are finally waking up to the fact that ALL GUNS are on the anti's table.  With the revelation that the anti's not only want AR's...they want it all....they now are stocking up on ammo. 

Next, people are shooting more today...much more.