Another Potential 2016 Candidate

[santahog]

You don't matter, what I have tried to tell you over and over is that you represent a minority who hurts more than helps candidates by your focus on religion that the majority of voters either out right oppose, or at best don't give a sh!t about.
Don't take my word for it, ask Mike Huckabee.

Huckabee is a snake in the grass. That's the extent that I'm interested in discussing him or his candadicies.
As for your appraisal of my value, I'll offer you this..
Your view is cheap. It can be found in any gutter where God is not welcome. It cost you nothing. You have never had to give up anything to acquire or maintain it. I can go to any boardwalk and dump a quarter into a machine and get three copies, preprinted on cheap paper with cheap ink. It fades and goes away in the sunshine. It's easily replaced. If you disappeared from the face of the Earth, someone else would speak the same words, unaware that you had ever existed, having paid just as much for his opinion as you did for yours.
I value your opinion of my relevance as much as you paid for it, or pay to maintain it. 
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Speaking of laughable, FQ, since I never got the piece for the SAIGA that you offered, did you at least find someone to give the (Sig, S&W, Ruger, I forget) grip that I offered in exchange for the consideration to?

It's not my intention to answer a fool in his folly here.
Like buying a cheap appliance or agreeing to go along with someone who you know doesn't mean it, it doesn't make value any more valuable, but it does give contrast to the difference between that which has value, and that which doesn't..

As far as any of this having anything to do with Carson, who knows. Three years is an eternity in politics. Personally, I don't think he has a snowballs chance in hell, not because of Carson, but because of the state of the electorate.. I suspect that Carson's position cost him more than Tom's position cost him.. Having never actually met either of them, the observation should be taken as speculative, at best.
Judge a tree by it's fruit.. Is it good or bitter? Judge for yourself.. Perhaps that which lifts up is better than that which puts down..
Just a thought..
Worth what you paid for it..
Happy (almost) weekend!!

[Jrlobo]

My ole Daddy used to say: "Son you gotta learn when to keep your mouth shut!" ...usually just before he would deliver a lesson to the seat of my pants. Mom used to use a paddle ball paddle (with rubber band and ball removed) that Dad had drilled holes in. Her mother would hide the paddle to protect my a$$. Ah, none of that worked for me. santahog, Tom is expressing an opinion that is shared by many...that we focus too hard on religion in the political process. Admittedly Tom says it in a not so delicate way but does not appear to be meant as demeaning religion, just that we focus on it to the detriment of the point we need to make on a non-religious subject like gun control. santahog, your stance that the freedoms we have stem from a religious and political context our forefathers experienced is not wrong. santahog, if you feel better by calling my opinions "cheap" you'd be right. I offer them freely because I acquired them freely, well at the expense of reddened rear end as a youth! Let's all have a good weekend...perhaps the last good weekend in MD.

[tombogan03884]

I'm expressing the opinion held by most of the people you need to convince if you actually want to win elections instead of just bitching about the guy who did win .

[twyacht]

I think regardless of Dr. Carson's future. IF the Republicans can actually muster a win, they should make Carson HHS Secretary. Better position than the Socilaist Sebelius dumb ass.

[santahog]

My ole Daddy used to say: "Son you gotta learn when to keep your mouth shut!" ...usually just before he would deliver a lesson to the seat of my pants. Mom used to use a paddle ball paddle (with rubber band and ball removed) that Dad had drilled holes in. Her mother would hide the paddle to protect my a$$. Ah, none of that worked for me. santahog, Tom is expressing an opinion that is shared by many...that we focus too hard on religion in the political process. Admittedly Tom says it in a not so delicate way but does not appear to be meant as demeaning religion, just that we focus on it to the detriment of the point we need to make on a non-religious subject like gun control. santahog, your stance that the freedoms we have stem from a religious and political context our forefathers experienced is not wrong. santahog, if you feel better by calling my opinions "cheap" you'd be right. I offer them freely because I acquired them freely, well at the expense of reddened rear end as a youth! Let's all have a good weekend...perhaps the last good weekend in MD.

Hey..
I'm not attacking. Tom dishes it out liberally enough. Offering some in return won't injure him..
There's alot in your reply that I want to dig into.. (Alot of fond memories too..) I'm on a borrowed computer and I don't have time to do it justice. That's why I haven't offered anything up to now.. I'm not ignoring it. Please don't take it that way.
My machine "should" be back next week, (and I'll have the latitude to grace your presence in my usual, unfettered fashion).
7 or 8 months ago, Tom and I were on the same team, politically. Imagine that!!
Tom's happy to dish it out. I'm happy enough to return the favor..
I responded to "You don't matter". I believe that the "why" of the "what" that we gather here to "sit around here and bitch about" is as important as the "what", itself.
The 2A is critical to me because of the same "why" as the rest of it, (1A, 4A, 5A, 10A, et al).
I've got to get ready for church. Lobo, I would ask that you go through my last reply here in a more detailed fashion. There's more there tham perhaps you caught the first time around.. (Or not).
Gotta go..
Happy Easter! He is risen indeed!!!

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[tombogan03884]

Hey..
I'm not attacking. Tom dishes it out liberally enough. Offering some in return won't injure him..
There's alot in your reply that I want to dig into.. (Alot of fond memories too..) I'm on a borrowed computer and I don't have time to do it justice. That's why I haven't offered anything up to now.. I'm not ignoring it. Please don't take it that way.
My machine "should" be back next week, (and I'll have the latitude to grace your presence in my usual, unfettered fashion).
7 or 8 months ago, Tom and I were on the same team, politically. Imagine that!!
Tom's happy to dish it out. I'm happy enough to return the favor..
I responded to "You don't matter". I believe that the "why" of the "what" that we gather here to "sit around here and bitch about" is as important as the "what", itself.
The 2A is critical to me because of the same "why" as the rest of it, (1A, 4A, 5A, 10A, et al).
I've got to get ready for church. Lobo, I would ask that you go through my last reply here in a more detailed fashion. There's more there tham perhaps you caught the first time around.. (Or not).
Gotta go..
Happy Easter! He is risen indeed!!!

You STILL don't get it.
You and I would not vote for any one the Dems would put up for a candidate because their Party platform opposes everything we believe in . Period, end of sentance
Rosie O'Donut, Van Jones, and their ilk would never vote for a Republican for the same reason.
For campaign purposes neither group matters , they will not be swayed by anything.
The ones who matter, who decide elections, are the ones who don't fall into either group, and to them a strong religious connection such as having "Rev" before your name says "THEOCRACY", and is the kiss of death for a candidate.

[santahog]

You STILL don't get it.

Okay, I'm back..
You're still missing something that you demand be changed, that never will be.. A (honest to God) Christian will not support a pro-abortion candidate. I'm not talking about the guys who play church, but the converted..
>> Again, to be clear here. It doesn't matter how many times you show up at Gods house, it matters that Jesus makes the rules in yours. <<
I can't support an anti-2A candidate. I just cant, no matter what the justification. Even before that one, I can't support a pro-abort candidate. The former has to do with Liberty, and all the things we all (here) value. The latter is because I'd rather trust my fate to Gods blessing than your good graces. I'm sorry, but you're just not that good... 
I can't, as His child, be "for" something that He is "against".. It's really very simple, you know??
I admonition to the secular "conservative" is to keep that in mind when brushing aside the core beliefs of a necessary voting block of the coalition.
Each of us can determine who we consider relevant or not, at least in our own minds. I'm just trying (again) to tell you that you won't bring along the Christians by forcing/demanding them to support a pragmatist on moral issues..
Some things are negotiable. Some things aren't..

Sorry it took so long. That was the most costly cup of coffee I've had to date.. 

[fatbaldguy]

Okay, I'm back..
You're still missing something that you demand be changed, that never will be.. A (honest to God) Christian will not support a pro-abortion candidate. I'm not talking about the guys who play church, but the converted..
>> Again, to be clear here. It doesn't matter how many times you show up at Gods house, it matters that Jesus makes the rules in yours. <<
I can't support an anti-2A candidate. I just cant, no matter what the justification. Even before that one, I can't support a pro-abort candidate. The former has to do with Liberty, and all the things we all (here) value. The latter is because I'd rather trust my fate to Gods blessing than your good graces. I'm sorry, but you're just not that good... 
I can't, as His child, be "for" something that He is "against".. It's really very simple, you know??
I admonition to the secular "conservative" is to keep that in mind when brushing aside the core beliefs of a necessary voting block of the coalition.
Each of us can determine who we consider relevant or not, at least in our own minds. I'm just trying (again) to tell you that you won't bring along the Christians by forcing/demanding them to support a pragmatist on moral issues..
Some things are negotiable. Some things aren't..

Sorry it took so long. That was the most costly cup of coffee I've had to date.. 

I'm gonna jump in the middle here.  If the 'Christian' bloc of the conservative movement cannot support, even begrudgingly, a candidate that does not match up with all of their 'core' issues, the conservative movement is finished.  Your way or the highway means the collectivists win.  Every time.  There just aren't enough Conservatives to out vote the collectivists unless ALL sub-sects of the conservative movement vote together.  We all hang together, or we hang separately.

The 'Christian' bloc has a better chance of getting some of what they want with a Conservative in charge, than with a collectivist.  The choice made as outlined by you above means you will never, ever, not a snowballs chance in Satan's palm have a chance of having your issues even discussed.  Your decision, your choice.  Work incrementally, or give it all away.

[tombogan03884]

What isn't getting through Santahog's pious skull is that morality has no place in good government.
Just as one example lets use Osama Bin Laden .
Bill Clinton had 4 separate chances to to make OBL dead before 9 - 11 and declined on all 4 occasions .
Bin Laden was a known threat, who had already struck at US embassies .
Would it have been better for the population of the US , and their freedoms to kill him then ?
People in NY think so.
But the Bible preaches "turning the other check", and "Thou shalt not kill".
Only a moron or a pompous liberal ass would think either of those ideas have any place in national foreign policy.
If you can not separate the proprieties of personal and national conduct then you probably don't deserve the voice you are throwing away anyway.

[santahog]

That's real special Tom, but I'll tell you what I've told my State Legislators in the push to change the State from May Issue to Shall issue..
Each freedom you deny to me, you have effectively denied yourself.. Keep shoveling. All that lost ground will show up somewhere..
If you support tax money for abortion, it's your vote. I have to explain mine. I can't do it.
The thing that gets me is that all you pragmatists that want to concede to the left on moral issues don't realize that you get nothing from them in return.. Have you not noticed that? It's not just the moral issues either. It's any of it..
You sit there and demand that I compromise what I hold as Holy to something you don't really care about one way or the other. Good for you! If I say the same to you, I'm ignorant.. I"m sure you don't see that, but it's there for all but the blinded to see..
I won't compromise my faith. Not for you, Obama or anybody else who demands it.
The fact that you see it as a one way street makes you look like a fool to me, for not seeing the hypocrisy of your demands..
What is it about 50 Million dead babies that you get off on so much, that you're willing to run your head back into that same brick wall in order to support public funding for it?? (Notice that I slipped in a "compromise" there. Tom only compromises with the left, not the right.. He won't get it..)
I'm not moving, Tom. Not me or a third of the country's conservatives that you don't think should count.. Die a hero to the cause, or compromise with "us" for a change..
I want to point something out while I'm at it.. I'm not sure if Mississippi still has a licensed abortion clinic. Alabama has five. You piss downhill at these folks who are the base of the movement, and wonder why you lose elections..
My State Rep, State Senator, US Rep, both US Senator and Governor are all at least anti "tax paid" abortion, along with the majority of the Dem Party at the State level. Throw them away and see what your conservative movement looks like..
Keep shoveling Tom.. Keep shoveling.. When you get done, you'll recognize that it was your own grave, and that of the nation..
Keep it up.. We'll keep on building, and you can keep on tearing down.. Because true conservatism is all about tearing down the foundations.. Well, I'll tell ya.. You wouldn't have the gun rights you have today without the Christians down here where the economy moved standing up and doing the work..
You think the whole country is a bunch of secularists.. The television told you so. Yo believe them because it eases your guilty conscience, kind of. You keep screeching about this because you can't find peace in your soul and you vomit at anybody who stands for what you can't even justify within yourself.
You think you're fighting me/us/Christians. You're not. You're fighting Jesus. I/we/Christians gave up fighting Him and started asking the important questions of why all this did or didn't make sense.. We finally asked the right questions of the right person. You're not there yet.. I was where you are.. I get it. But I'm not coming back. You can fight me or follow me, but I'm not coming back..
I made my decision. I'm happy for your help in politics, but if you don't want mine, don't ask.. If you want my help, don't ask for something you know I can't give you.
Get a clue, Tom..