Bob Barr Exploring Presidential Run as Libertarian

[Pathfinder]

I have always believed you stand up for what you believe in.  This is what this country was founded on, this is what our men and women in the armed forces are doing every day, and this is what I am going to do come November. 

Amen, brother, amen!

Let's not forget, the house and senate are the ones who make the rules.  The president can suggest something, but it's the congress who will ultimately decide.  I would be willing to bet, that if either of the democratic canidates get elected, that in two years they will be in the same boat as Bush is today.  That is he can't get anythng done.

Unfortunately, the Pres has been able to get away with all manner of illegal actions in the form of:

- Executive Actions - remember FDR's EO "interning" the Japanese at the start of WWII? Yes, it was eventually overturned in the courts but years later and look at the damage that was done. What would have happened if FDR had friendly courts on his side?. Japanese Americans were lucky in that the courts were on edge already with FDR after shooting down the National Recovery Act, among others.

- Stacking the courts with revisionist judges (Ginsburg on the SCOTUS who likes to quote foreign law in deciding American cases), made easier with democratic majorities in Congress; and

- stuffing the bureaucracy with like-minded people who will continue to wreak havoc on the American people long after the Pres is gone. Consider the greenies and gun-grabbers in the Interior Dept. that MB has run into, the State Dept. people who have undermined Bush's initiatives, and can you even begin to imagine the what the BATFE will do with rules changes when the gloves come off under gun-grabber Obambi?

Freshman democratic Congressmen, like the 3 elected recently in so-called "safe" republican districts, will not be allowed to interfere with Pelosi and her minions, nor will they have the political base to do much. Especially as they are conservative democrats - until they want something done in their district. Then watch the values drop as they maneuver for Federal pork.

What scares me most, and is part of what has made me so "downer" this weekend, is that Obambi is so vicious and hateful of this country that he will use all of the above methods - and more like FEMA's "empowerment" to suspend the Constitution - to ensure that we are never allowed to go back - without another revolution. And I just don't see that happening.

[Ron J]

The other day in the grocery store (buying more beer), I saw a little girl and a little boy ... obviously big brother and little sister ... having a dispute.  Little sister was getting worked up a bit.  Her slightly older big brother seemed to be enjoying it. 

Then little sister took a quick glance to her right which resulted in her big bro' following with a look to see what was going on.  Little girl wound up and kicked this kid so hard in the shins he doubled over and hit the deck.  Really thought this girl was going to go in and finish him off but instead she went running to her mommy at the end of the aisle. 

My first thought, glad it was a shoe to the shin and not a 200gr. HP to the head. 

Same with McCain and Obama.  Like the shoe to shin is going to be less painful than a shot to the noggin with a 45, McCain is going to be a lot less painful than Obama.  As well, it looked like the little girl got off with a clean assault with no harm … no foul.  However, unlike McCain and Obama, there will be a definitive harm that it will last a lot longer than the sting from a kick in the shins. 

By all means, take a stand for what you believe in.  But like other clichés see where that gets you when your taxes go up, our country is less safe and your RKBA has been seriously damaged.  What you are likely to do when you stand your ground this November is continue to fragment the conservative efforts and give an ultra left movement some serious momentum. 

My point is that I would rather have John McCain kick the living hell out of my shins than take a head shot from Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama.  Whether it is short term or long term, McCain is a better option for America than Obama.  Isn't that something to take a stand for? 

All the same, careful for what you wish for. 

[tombogan03884]

The other day in the grocery store (buying more beer), I saw a little girl and a little boy ... obviously big brother and little sister ... having a dispute.  Little sister was getting worked up a bit.  Her slightly older big brother seemed to be enjoying it. 

Then little sister took a quick glance to her right which resulted in her big bro' following with a look to see what was going on.  Little girl wound up and kicked this kid so hard in the shins he doubled over and hit the deck.  Really thought this girl was going to go in and finish him off but instead she went running to her mommy at the end of the aisle. 

My first thought, glad it was a shoe to the shin and not a 200gr. HP to the head. 

Same with McCain and Obama.  Like the shoe to shin is going to be less painful than a shot to the noggin with a 45, McCain is going to be a lot less painful than Obama.  As well, it looked like the little girl got off with a clean assault with no harm … no foul.  However, unlike McCain and Obama, there will be a definitive harm that it will last a lot longer than the sting from a kick in the shins. 

By all means, take a stand for what you believe in.  But like other clichés see where that gets you when your taxes go up, our country is less safe and your RKBA has been seriously damaged.  What you are likely to do when you stand your ground this November is continue to fragment the conservative efforts and give an ultra left movement some serious momentum. 

My point is that I would rather have John McCain kick the living hell out of my shins than take a head shot from Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama.  Whether it is short term or long term, McCain is a better option for America than Obama.  Isn't that something to take a stand for? 

All the same, careful for what you wish for. 

Thats all nice and sensible but you miss one important question. How long can the system continue before it breaks ?  What then ?
At what point  do; Illegal immigration, rising fuel costs, entitlment programs, etc. simply overwhelm "The System" ?
Remember New Orleans after Katrina, like that with out the water.

[Ron J]

Thats all nice and sensible but you miss one important question. How long can the system continue before it breaks ?  What then ?
At what point  do; Illegal immigration, rising fuel costs, entitlment programs, etc. simply overwhelm "The System" ?
Remember New Orleans after Katrina, like that with out the water.


Tom, you're right!  What you said is what we will get with Obama x 2. 

Following the logic of letting Obama win by not voting for McCain, let's sadly skip ahead to 2016 where we find that we don't have a conservative “savior” in the running that's any better than McCain is today. 

What then?  Wait another four to eight years for the system to really break?  The question isn’t so much of how long before our system breaks as to why provide an accelerant (like Obama) for it to break? 

This object lesson to “take another Carter to get another Reagan” is more than a useless cliché, it’s insane.  As previously mentioned, you have NO IDEA that we will get that next conservative savior.  Secondly, we don’t need someone like Obama that is going to be worse than Carter in office for four much less eight years.  Doesn’t it make more sense to work with conservatives to bring about more conservative policy than HOPE that having a Marxist asshole with a bitch for a wife as President will spark interest in conservative values?!?!  Insanity to let the extreme left gain momentum and to get their foot in the door and that’s what will happen if we allow Obama to get in office. 

[tombogan03884]

My point is that if we don't get it with McCain, will it be the next one, or the one after that. We CANNOT continue the way we are going. The society we have built is a house of cards based on the shaky foundation of oil dependence, and spending next years money.
It does not matter if we have Hillybama socialism now or continued creeping socialism under McCain, it's still socialism, and I say NO.
If we accept even the gradual socializing of America then what was the "Cold War" all about ?

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[Rastus]

Ron J.... we disagree.  I do not want to leave this messy festering boil building for my children to lance in the future.  Any of the big 3 candidates will lead to the same point, eventually.  I'd rather it be here, now, for it to be dealt with.  It is just wrong to think things will get better by doing the same thing over and over again expecting a change and then repeat the behaviour with the same failed expectations (insanity--doing the same thing over and over expecting different results).

It seems you think someone conservative is going to pull this out in the future...Bush led to Dole which led to Bush-Bush which is leading to McCain....why do you think a conservative is next?  Let me rephrase that, if the RINO's can make their agenda, which is not our agenda, go forward benefiting themselves and if in the meantime we are sold out and end up liking it because we are "afraid" of another candidate, what is the difference...so we do it over and over again and again...where is the logic that says a conservative will evolve from a RINO controlled camp? 

Historical precedent is that unless someone stands during a fall, no one is eleft standing after the fall.

[Ron J]

We disagree ...  but we are only 180º off!   

Actually, we do agree that we don’t like the way things are going and don't like what has happened to the party of Reagan. The crux of our disagreement is in me not seeing how Obama being elected is going help foster conservative values in the short to long term.  I can' see how it will lead to anything or fix anything that we think is wrong with conservative values. 

Obama will bring higher taxes.  Bigger government.  Income redistribution.  Our RKBA is going to be tested in ways far beyond what Heller will come down to.  Most important, we have no reason to feel safe with Obama.  We are in a definable war where some islamo-nut will get some nukes.  Lights one off on US soil and the loss of life will be horrendous … but the loss of commerce will be catastrophic.  From this view, the decision is not too tough ... anybody but B-HO.  The danger of letting Obama get elected is not worth betting on. 

[tombogan03884]

The White supremicists will have a CANIPTION, and attempt to assasinate him/her 

[Ron J]

The White supremicists will have a CANIPTION, and attempt to assasinate him/her 

Sad, but probably true.  I wonder what the odds in Las Vegas are on this?  I could see "office pools" with a grid of dates and people betting on dates.  Hit the date or come closest and you get the pot. 

[tombogan03884]

Sad, but probably true.  I wonder what the odds in Las Vegas are on this?  I could see "office pools" with a grid of dates and people betting on dates.  Hit the date or come closest and you get the pot. 

 I might start one where I work