Bob Barr Exploring Presidential Run as Libertarian

[Rastus]

Concerning #4 above, the participants have mortgages, credit card debt and all the other trappings of modern life to control them.  If some choose not to participate, other than the immediate few, it will be after 2-3 mos. and if gross enforcement abuses occur which will cause some (small, moderate, large?) amount of public scrutiny.   

England's guns fell.  Austrailia's guns fell.  Canada's guns have fallen too.  Was a shot fired in anger to maintain those rights?  If there was....it was too few to matter.  There may be a hard choice guys...and fighting a prepared foe at the door on their terms at their time with one's family inside is a highly inadviseable time to exhibit righteous indignation. 

As I wrote in another thread on this board, it is ironic that a group that greatly respects and supports law enforcement will be a target of a disarmament enforced by those who are like minded, sent by the people who have no respect for law enforcement, the military or the citizenry.  Said in another way, liberal leaders who have contempt for both law enforcement and gun owners, will be the ones who use law enforcement to remove guns from law-abiding law enforcement supporters....the irony is that kindred spirits are set at odds by one who disdains the both.

I'm somewhat certain I'll get a response that if it's law, then it's law and must be followed.  Towit, I would say that is the line of thinking that convicted many Nazi's after WWII.  If it was wrong then, why will it be right in the future?  Especially when we so passionately know that our government has been usurped by dishonest people who have promoted themselves upon an ignorant populace with lies, deceit and empty promises?   

[Hazcat]

Rastus,

Hopefully the Heller decision will help insulate us from the grabbers.

MB has a link on his blog to a well thought out 'what to look for' in the decision (which is predicted to be next Monday).

[tombogan03884]

Concerning #4 above, the participants have mortgages, credit card debt and all the other trappings of modern life to control them.  If some choose not to participate, other than the immediate few, it will be after 2-3 mos. and if gross enforcement abuses occur which will cause some (small, moderate, large?) amount of public scrutiny.  

England's guns fell.  Austrailia's guns fell.  Canada's guns have fallen too.  Was a shot fired in anger to maintain those rights?  If there was....it was too few to matter.  There may be a hard choice guys...and fighting a prepared foe at the door on their terms at their time with one's family inside is a highly inadviseable time to exhibit righteous indignation. 

As I wrote in another thread on this board, it is ironic that a group that greatly respects and supports law enforcement will be a target of a disarmament enforced by those who are like minded, sent by the people who have no respect for law enforcement, the military or the citizenry.  Said in another way, liberal leaders who have contempt for both law enforcement and gun owners, will be the ones who use law enforcement to remove guns from law-abiding law enforcement supporters....the irony is that kindred spirits are set at odds by one who disdains the both.

I'm somewhat certain I'll get a response that if it's law, then it's law and must be followed.  Towit, I would say that is the line of thinking that convicted many Nazi's after WWII.  If it was wrong then, why will it be right in the future?  Especially when we so passionately know that our government has been usurped by dishonest people who have promoted themselves upon an ignorant populace with lies, deceit and empty promises?   

Divide and conquer worked for Rome. The only way to avoid it is to band together in advance and don't be at you "Home" when they show up.

[Rastus]

Rastus,

Hopefully the Heller decision will help insulate us from the grabbers.

MB has a link on his blog to a well thought out 'what to look for' in the decision (which is predicted to be next Monday).

z
If B. Hossein (Hussein?) OBuma makes it in office do you think they will care what the court says...I'm thinking they will pass laws like crazy, plug up the courts and drag it out for years.

[Ron J]

z
If B. Hossein (Hussein?) OBuma makes it in office do you think they will care what the court says...I'm thinking they will pass laws like crazy, plug up the courts and drag it out for years.

Right to keep and bear arms and ability to keep and shoot what you want will become two separate issues. 

If Heller comes back as we suspect, the anti-gun folk will continue their work to manadate various bans/restrictions/taxes on ammo, inact smart gun laws, micro-stamping, and the like.  They will agree that you have the right to keep and bear arms ... but they will make it more difficult and more expensive to do so. 

This is why we need to make our voices heard at the ballot box AND to those currently in office.  We need to educate all gun owners ... shooters and hunters ... to what could happen to our abilities (not our just rights) to responsible gun ownership. 

[Sponsor]

[ericire12]

UPDATE: Bob Barr blasts McCain

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/18/AR2008061802117.html

"With regard to domestic policy, Sen. McCain really has put forward nothing that would indicate he believes in dramatically shrinking the size and cost of the government," Barr said during an interview on washingtonpost.com's "PostTalk" program. "He does talk a great game about doing away with earmarks, but that really does not get near to the heart of the matter of the massive federal spending, the massive federal debt and the deficits we're running."

[Ron J]

UPDATE: Bob Barr blasts McCain

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/18/AR2008061802117.html

After Barr spoke he went outside to rally his four supporters. 

[tombogan03884]

I don't have as much of a problem with people like Barr and Paul, who want to leave Iraq because of things like Washingtons "Farewell address" Where he talked about "Avoiding entangling foreign alliances" they have some bases in the thinking of the founding fathers and I respect that reasoning. However I disagree with it, as did Thomas Jefferson after repeated attempts to negotiate with the Barbary Pirates (Muslims from North Africa, What is now Tunisia and Lybia) When repeated negotiations led only to further demands for tribute and bribes to the muslim negotiators, Jefferson became fed up and instead built 6 Frigates which instituted Americas first "Regime change" and was the birth of our Navy. We kicked their butts and they did not trouble us again until Khaddafi came along 150 years later.
I save my scorn for those "liberals" (Socialists and idiots) who either support Americas enemies or think fighting, even in self defense is bad.

[Rastus]

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I save my scorn for those "liberals" (Socialists and idiots) who either support Americas enemies or think fighting, even in self defense is bad.

And as such, to paraphrase a post I made somewhere on some thread on this board, if McCain picks Bloomberg as VP McCain will prove himself totally unfit for the presidency.  Bloomberg would be one heartbeat from the presidency. 

That was a great analogy and history lesson Tom; the foreign entanglements comparison with avoidance contrasted to the true, liberal, scum-sipping America haters.  There's been an implicit equation of equality between those two groups on this board, specifically in this thread and that's just not right.   I wish I had picked up on that...hat's off to you Tom. 

Bloomberg>BHO on gun control.  But McCain has proven he lacks sanity in the past by his actions in actual tangible creation and support of McCain-Feingold, open borders, etc.

Time will tell.  McCain must convince me to vote for McCain.  McCain is doing a terrible job of convincing me.  Time will tell.

[Ron J]

I agree to some extent with the Libertarian "theory" that we shouldn't be the "world's police agency".  With that, we shouldn't be entangled with any country's internal affairs.  But in our world today that can also lead us head first into a big ass bucket of sand. 

Over the last two hundred years ago it had been easier to accept that point of view.  America had the resources and the physical distance from any threat.  Back then, war was a cannon ball away.  Today it’s 18 minutes from a ballistic missile. 

Today, we have some twisted Islamo-nuts that want to subjugate us and we can’t afford the view from that sand bucket.  The way I see it, McCain wants to kill the bad guys. Obama and Barr do not.  For this reason I am voting McCain.  Add in a couple of other issues such as their stance on abortion, gun control, fiscal competency and that's just icing on the cake for McCain.     

As to Bloomberg, he is not going to be on the McCain ticket.  McCain needs to land someone that has conservative values and Bloomberg is not it.  Where Bloomberg has a better chance of landing is with B-HO but he won't accept that if offered.  He wants to run for President in 2012. 

My hope is that McCain would pick Fred Thompson or Duncan Hunter.  REGARDLESS of who he picks, it is a better option for our country than Obama/Edwards (Biden, Webb, etc.).