Storm Troopers

[Solus]

Solus, I disagree...The force used was because they knew a shotgun and ammo was available to the individual they were going after.  They didn't know what else he might have and they went in prepared!  HE WAS/IS A FOOL in my opinion.....they were not.

FWIW


Richard

PS:  Doesn't mean I would not resent it if it happened to me but I would not do what he did.  I agree with DGF about us being watched!  I'll leave it at that. 

So you think it that is SOP on how to deal with gun owners?

[billt]

So you think it that is SOP on how to deal with gun owners?

Not at all. But the fact is it's what you're going to get. It's like taunting the school bully. He can't wait for the chance to demonize you. These guys are much the same. They have the power, and they will abuse it if you egg them on, simply because they can, and in the process get away with it. Look at the IRS. There will wind up being no penance for these people. Just a lot of nowhere testimony. They're laughing behind our backs all the while.

These guys are no different. I can all but guarantee you they were all yucking it up, high fiving each other when they got back to their "station". Or wherever the hell they launched their little invasion from. This is what power does to most people. They can't wait to abuse it.

[TAB]

It could have also been about the drugs.  It would not be the 1st time the police have known about  something, but could not prove it, so they went after some one for another crime.  They convicted capone on tax fruad.  I am not saying that is what happen here, just playing devils advocate.   then again, you would have to be doing drugs to do what he did.  When one goes looking for trouble, one tends to find it.

[mortdooley]

 If we had a police force that served the people and kept the peace there would be no need for the paramilitary strike teams. Emergency response team members I have known are generally a$$holes full of self importance who go way over the top attacking private citizens over minor violations. The best response to a man with no criminal past acting the way he did was to ignore him and let it fade from view. 

[billt]

Emergency response team members I have known are generally a$$holes full of self importance who go way over the top attacking private citizens over minor violations. The best response to a man with no criminal past acting the way he did was to ignore him and let it fade from view.  

Very true. Many become drunk with power. I once read a very convincing article that said in a nut shell bold, ass wipe, over the top cops and criminals score much the same in many areas of psychology exams. The cops just go the other way. But if both were sitting at a bar with 3 beers in each of them, you wouldn't be able to tell them apart. Many use the badge to justify their behavior.

If you want to test that theory, go on some of these "police forums". Granted, there are some good guys there, but you'll be surprised how quickly some of them will display the same attitudes and personality traits they have when they pull someone over. Asshole cop stories abound. Most everyone who has lived 40 years or more, has one or several to tell.

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[Solus]

Not at all. But the fact is it's what you're going to get. It's like taunting the school bully. He can't wait for the chance to demonize you. These guys are much the same. They have the power, and they will abuse it if you egg them on, simply because they can, and in the process get away with it. Look at the IRS. There will wind up being no penance for these people. Just a lot of nowhere testimony. They're laughing behind our backs all the while.

These guys are no different. I can all but guarantee you they were all yucking it up, high fiving each other when they got back to their "station". Or wherever the hell they launched their little invasion from. This is what power does to most people. They can't wait to abuse it.

Oh, I agree about taunting the bully.   

You might be stupid for doing it, but that NEVER makes the actions of the bully right.

The same with the government and police. 

Ellis said that they knew he had a shotgun and ammo....but nothing showed he did anything violent.

So I was questioning the statement that knowing someone had guns and ammo justifies that kind of force.

I don't think it does, therefore, they were wrong.

[billt]

Oh, I agree about taunting the bully.  

You might be stupid for doing it, but that NEVER makes the actions of the bully right.

The same with the government and police.  

Ellis said that they knew he had a shotgun and ammo....but nothing showed he did anything violent.

So I was questioning the statement that knowing someone had guns and ammo justifies that kind of force.

I don't think it does, therefore, they were wrong.

All true. But this reminds me of the old Public Service Announcement that aired on television years back about defensive driving. "You may not only be right, but you'll be dead right". Most of these kind of guys feed off these kind of antics. The fact they can do it, and get away with it fuels their inner passion for acting like ass wipes.

[billt]

When I lived in Lake Havasu City back in the 90's, my next door neighbor was married to what seemed like a nice woman with 2 kids. She got a job with the police dept. there, and right away started having an affair with a detective on the force. She basically told him she was leaving him. He was quite devastated by all of it.

What they, (LHC Police), did to him was unbelievable. This guy did nothing violent. Not even raise his voice.....Ever. They showed up at his door at midnight and took him down to the station over insane "violations". They would pull him over every time they saw him driving in town. Trying all the while to provoke him to do something violent so they could be all over him. The cops, District Attorney, judges in that town were all glued together in this conglomeration of $h!t. The poor guy had a hard time even getting a lawyer to take his case because the cops are so feared there.

He wound up getting his ass totally handed to him in the divorce. The poor guy never stood a chance in hell of a fair settlement. Looking back, there is no way in hell I could have kept my cool the way he did through all of that organized insanity. This is commonplace in many small town police departments. And all of it is getting worse, not better.