Snowden

[mortdooley]

Government has always needed to be kept on a short leash, but people want to live their lives and be left alone. The problem is that government wants to grow and control us while we are not paying attention. Snowden is right that we will see a generation that has never known privacy because we accept so many intrusions. When the TSA molested us before we could fly more people complained for a while and then accepted it as if the only safe way to fly was to just go along. Profiling will make us safer then any politically correct monkey motion. Just like when we were kids, one person can screw it up for the rest of us.

[tombogan03884]

http://www.amazon.com/Puzzle-Palace-National-Intelligence-Organization/dp/0140067485/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1388181593&sr=1-1&keywords=puzzle+palace+james+bamford

This book was published in 1983 .
It spends several hundred pages explaining how the NSA collects every electronic emanation from the planet.
They explain to people who bothered to read the book over the last 30 years, that that includes every radio, and telephone.
As we add new electronic devices like cell phones and computers it adds more forms of radiation .
We have been paying billions of dollars per year since 1947 to spy on other countries if they can't pick up Angela Merkel's phone calls we should get our money back.
And any one who reccommends doing away with the NSA is an idiot who would put us back to the days of ignorance and surprise that existed before WWII.

[les snyder]

40 or so years ago, I was a USAFSS radio traffic analyst, and worked with the finest linguists and Morse operators in the world...at that time we knew the possible threat the Bear and the Dragon posed... the tactical intelligence supplied by the Combat Apple and Burning Candy crews, along with the guys at the 6924th and 6922nd has been acknowledged as providing outstanding support to the air war against North VietNam... I sure would hate to lose that edge against an elusive and dedicated threat to the US

[Solus]

40 or so years ago, I was a USAFSS radio traffic analyst, and worked with the finest linguists and Morse operators in the world...at that time we knew the possible threat the Bear and the Dragon posed... the tactical intelligence supplied by the Combat Apple and Burning Candy crews, along with the guys at the 6924th and 6922nd has been acknowledged as providing outstanding support to the air war against North VietNam... I sure would hate to lose that edge against an elusive and dedicated threat to the US

I agree and always have with your point....

But what need to be done is find a way so we can keep that.....and not lose the Bill Of Rights to do it.

[ccd]

 The amnesty talk was just political cover as Snowden gave the files to "journalists" while in Hong Kong. As Tom points out it has been widely known that the US and her allies have been exploiting the world's communications for a long time. I am sure that the release of these files will cause many more problems for European governments than for the US. Based on who Snowden gave the files, you can be sure that they will be slowly released to affect political elections in countries that are allied with us. Also understand that NATO has no military reason to exist with the creation of the EU. The truth is just a game of connect the dots. NATO is just a layer to protect the European political class who will claim "that they had no idea what was going on" and of course feign outrage.

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[tombogan03884]

The best part is that Angela Merkel even has the right accent for "I know NOTHING !"
The one that got the biggest laugh out of me though was the Australians indignant claim that the US spied on Indonesia.
They would know since they shared the facility, and the take, the NSA's biggest listening post in the region is a joint Australian /US listening post in Alice Springs.

[les snyder]

someone needs to remind Ms. Merkel about the "Zimmerman Telegram"....

[Tyler Durden]

What the NSA is doing is not right.

I am glad somebody like Snowden came along.

Ultimately, somebody higher higher wise as visions of doing something with all this data.


I would like to know what that vision includes.

[tombogan03884]

Good luck with that .
I bet they never dreamed how much juvenile crap they would have to wade through to find anything useful
with cell phones and texting from every 14 year old girl and Carlos Danger to sort through..

[billt]

Snowden is a f*cking idiot who lost his citizenship over something that has been common knowledge since at least the 1980's.

What do these ignorant brain dead azzholes think we've been paying billions of $ for since 1947 ?

I have to agree 100%. They're setting this guy up as if he is some kind of "patriot", when in reality he is an idiot who threw his life away for "exposing" something most either knew, or else should have known. He is nothing more than a little weasel who thinks he's James Bond. He's another idiot being played like a piano by all of our enemies, much like Hussein. Putin is laughing at this clown.

It is much the same with this other "transgender", (idiot guy in drag), Bradley Manning. Another crackpot, dirt bag who doesn't even know what sex he is. Then when he finally decides, he wants the taxpayers to pay to cut off his tool and nuts while he serves out his sentence. Total joke.

They need to take all 3 of these guys, (Snowden, Manning, Assange), and put a bullet in the back of their heads. All any of them are good for is to set an example. We'll even screw that up.