so any guess on how long til the feds raid the pot shops?

[TAB]

what about lsd?   its safe none habit forming  should we legalize that too?  There were tons of people that thought it was helpful and could expand the mind.  Some of those people were dr/phds.

[billt]

From what I've read over the last 40+ years, the legalization of various intoxicants always seems to be based on some abstract, off the wall association with "freedom". All it amounts to, when you strip away all the nonsense, is an excuse to get high more easily. Wanting to alter your state of mind to a lesser, non productive level, is of course your "right". But others should not have to accept the consequences, both social and financial, of the few who really want to use these products. That is the crux of the problem that exists.

 I don't care what happens in Denmark or Holland either. It has no bearing here, anymore than England's gun control does. There are no black and Hispanic gangs and ghettos fueled by drug sales in Continental Europe.

[TAB]

pot is not legal in holland its just tolerated, which is wrong.  The law should be applied qually.   its like tickets for no front lic plate or too dark of tint.  They can't pull you over for it, but if they pull you over for something else you are going to get a ticket.

[tombogan03884]

Not when you already have drawn your own conclusions.
Hint: "Anecdote" does not equal "data".
So what? Unless it was your kid, wife or sibling it's really NONE OF YOUR FREAKING BUSINESS!   
Again....bullshit.
 
I'm assuming you mean unintended consequences.
And keeping it illegal doesn't have "unintend consicincence"?
Hundreds of Billions have been spent on the "War on Drugs" with nothing to show for it except rights being trampled on, prison populations at levels communist dictators don't reach, drug use increasing and drug quality getting better and less expensive.
YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE MORALITY. It has been an epic FAIL at every attempt throughout history.

What people do with their carcass is none of your business. Whether that is whacking off too much, (which means more than you), or getting high or wearing a leather executioner mask while spanking their wife covered in peanut butter.
If they are not harming anyone but themselves...It Is None Of Your Business!

If I had posted a follow up comment Those are the things I would have said.
I find it wildly ironic that people who bitch the loudest about govt over reach on gun laws are so ready to condone violations of everybody else s rights .
Guess it really does depend on who's ox is gored.
TAB needs to quit watching reefer madness and get some actual information.
Of course he's from California and no one ever is responsible for anything out there.
It's always the fault of some inanimate object , never the azzhole who acted stupid.

[tombogan03884]

what about lsd?   its safe none habit forming  should we legalize that too?  There were tons of people that thought it was helpful and could expand the mind.  Some of those people were dr/phds.

What legitimate Constitutional grounds is that ban based on ?
The so called "war on drugs has never been anything but a racist jobs program for politically connected prohibition agents who were going to lose their jobs when booze became legal again (because prohibition worked so well )

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[TAB]

so then meth should be legal too?  Don't want to violate some ones rights after all.   there is such thing as greater good.  Keeping meth illegal does serve the great good.

[kmitch200]

It's been proven it is a gateway drug. Most every hard core intravenous drug user started out on Marijuana.

False.
Virtually every drug abuser started out using toxic, physically and psychologically addicting alcohol first.

so then meth should be legal too?  Don't want to violate some ones rights after all.   there is such thing as greater good.  Keeping meth illegal does serve the great good.

Yes, it's much better to have violent gangs selling it rather than buying it at the local pharmacy.

Bought any sudafed lately? Sign the statement that you will be prosecuted for buying too much decongestant.
Not cooking meth with it, just for wanting to clear your sinuses more than some bureaucrat thinks you should.
The results of this great program? Meth is cheaper, more pure and more readily available now than before the program started.
Great concept. We should throw some more billions at it.
After all, these sudafed users are just hanging onto some abstract, off the wall association with "freedom".
 

[billt]

Great concept. We should throw some more billions at it.
After all, these sudafed users are just hanging onto some abstract, off the wall association with "freedom".

People who legitimately use Sudafed, or any other over the counter drug, are NOT the problem. How much money do you think we'll be "throwing" at a nation of meth users, after their teeth start rotting out, and sores start developing all over their body from ingesting poison.....All in the name of "freedom"?

6 years ago the house down the street from me was raided because they were cooking Meth. They had a 6 year old boy living there through all of it. The dip $h!t father who was cooking it, washed all of his utensils in the family dishwasher. They caught him because the idiot bought $450.00 worth of Sudafed from a nearby CVS Pharmacy, and paid for it with a credit card. The Pharmacist promptly called the police and reported it. The cops had is address, and drove over. Moral of story, Pharmacists are smarter than meth heads. There is no upside to any of this crap.....Unless this is your idea of a real, "freedom loving" American.

[TAB]

i hate the fact that you have to show id , its behind the counter and there are limits to one box.   i go thru it becuase nothing else works like it.         meth is a evil like no other, it is going to get worse before it gets better.  It should never be legal,  the cost in $ and lives is just to great.     i have a friend that works for the sherrifs department in nevada county ca in there meth task force.  About 70% of the property crimes are traced back to meth.  Thats not property crims they closed, thats out of all reported property crime.  Think about that 70% of the cases were traced back to meth.    those were cases that were closed, 70% of the total property crime cases.  Just think of how high the number would be if every thing was reported and all the cases were closed.   thats just one county in the foot hills.     I know i replaced 100s of thousands worth in copper and alumiuim(hvac) as a gc not to mention all the damage done by the theft.   between 100k-200k a year. Mostly do to meth.

[TAB]

ok so i was wondering, what was my best( or worst) for metal theft. it was 2006 ( had a big invoice so i knew the year) i had 31 invoices $293k and change.  I had 608 billed hours at $75/hr.Thats $45600  in just oh shit get this water off and out, does not include patch work( bids, not t&m) or wire theft( i handed that off.) the lowest invoice was $1400 the highest was $117k if you remove those 2 that means the average   was about a little more then $6k  the big one had a settling issue do to the water, which cost $60k  to fix, it was a 4 plex, they took all the hvac and all the exposed plumbing and wires. Didn't even turn the water off just cut and left.  All this happen over a 18 hour period in may when everyone was away. 4 hvac, 4 water heaters, ~400' in pipe, $2k worth in electrial( only 2 units) and they were in a hotel room for 19 days until the house was repiped, wiring fixed and stablized. No one paid for rent, power or gas that month,and all got $1000 checks for the hassle. Total cost ~$140k