Watch this YouTube video and tell us what you would do?

[TexasAggie01]

What would you do?

(1) If you were a bystander?

(2) If you were the cell phone guy?

(3) If you were CCW'ing legally?

(4) If you have $30 K laying around for a defense fund (LOL!... well... kinda  )?

What say you?

1. Watch. Once the big guy smacked him, get my arm around his neck and pull him off. This is given my size and the fact that I'm behind him for a blood-choke hold

2.Not thrown down my phone. Make eye contact with the lady, but not be aggressive or timid. Once hit, by the big guy, start retreating, and if needed, draw.

3. If 1, keep the gun where big guy can't reach it and if 2, see line above.

4. In Texas, probably wouldn't need it. If no criminal charges against me, no civil can be filed. IIRC I need to review self defense law and check on that.

This type of video always bothers me because nobody helps. That always angers me.

[Teresa Heilevang]

Actually my older son ( who is 6'2" and about 280 ) was a bouncer in college so he has had his share of off the wall crazies and my youngest son ( who is 6'4" and about 280 ) was in this situation in a bar awhile back. He has a CCW but didn't have to use it... He promptly grabbed the guy off the other guy and got it broken up with a bit of strong arming.  He was afraid to hit him, cause Derek is VERY VERY strong and was afraid he would kill him or worse hurt him bad enough to be sued. ( Isn't it a shame when you have to worry about a criminal suing you when they are the ones committing the crime?)

But then again.. me being female and hating injustice , in that situation, is a very hard combination. I have the guts and the will to do something.. just don't have the "manpower size" to make it happen. ( I guess I need to take a karate course.) 

[TexasAggie01]

Marshal'ette, my brother in law plays college football, and is about 6'4" and 315 (280 in the offseason...GULP). He's had multiple people pick fights with him just because he's the big guy. Luckily for them, he's very laid back. He doesn't want to hit folks if ha can help it because 1) could really mess up his hands and 2) he could seriously injure them.

Luckily for me, we get along great.

[Teresa Heilevang]

  I understand completely. Both my sons and their dad are very physically strong.
When you hear me call them "my pack".. I mean literally that.
When I am with all of them and we are out somewhere in the public. I always feel safer than when I am with girls etc.
 I realize anything can happen.. but they all watch out for "mama'.. even though they.. more than anyone... know I can handle myself pretty much. 
Hell I didn't feed 'em good all these years to not get something out of it.. LOL 

[gunman1911]

Actually my older son ( who is 6'2" and about 280 ) was a bouncer in college so he has had his share of off the wall crazies and my youngest son ( who is 6'4" and about 280 ) was in this situation in a bar awhile back. He has a CCW but didn't have to use it... He promptly grabbed the guy off the other guy and got it broken up with a bit of strong arming.  He was afraid to hit him, cause Derek is VERY VERY strong and was afraid he would kill him or worse hurt him bad enough to be sued. ( Isn't it a shame when you have to worry about a criminal suing you when they are the ones committing the crime?) 

But then again.. me being female and hating injustice , in that situation, is a very hard combination. I have the guts and the will to do something.. just don't have the "manpower size" to make it happen. ( I guess I need to take a karate course.) 

May I take the time to remind everyone how nice you are!

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[tombogan03884]

I hope we will be hearing more from Tyler Durdan, This is a very thought provoking thread. All of us have put thought into what to do when we are the victim and there is no question that lethal force is justified, but what about the grey areas, like this. I checked my state laws and they say you can use a fire arm to stop a sexual assualt, but not a beating if you have the option of leaving, unless you are the victim AND have a right to be there.

[GunpowderAndLead]

I'm new to this site.  I was in search of scenarios to consider regarding self-defense and CCW.  If this thread is any example, I think I found what I was looking for.

As for what I would do - I'm a middle-aged woman (Ooh, I hate saying that), 5'8" and weight about a buck and a half.  If I'm carrying or not, I now always have a knife available (my husband thinks I'm nuts).  I'd like to think I would have done something to help the cell phone guy as he did not do anything to warrant a beating like that.  Also, I live in Kansas and the eminent danger of self or others rule does apply - and I would have considered this fella in eminent danger.  So I like HazCat's approach -  pulling my pistol, yelling stop and shooting him - you certainly would not want to just warn him off and have him waiting for you in the parking lot later. 

But, there are a lot of variables that are not known here - the guy was outside, perhaps waiting with friends in the parking lot, so you're not just dealing with one giant crazy dude and a mouthy broad, but perhaps a lot of giant crazy dudes (they travel in packs you know).  You also have to consider all the bystanders in the restaurant and the close quarters.  If this guy does have friends and you shoot him, they are not going to just come in asking questions, they may come in blazing, potentially killing or wounding a lot of people.  I'm hearing "Spock" logic in my head right now - "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".

So, looking at this logically, perhaps calling 911 and being a good witness is the best approach here.  Not really my personality, but now that I carry regularly, I'm trying to consider all the consequences.  Having said that - if one or two of the other big guys in the place tried to stop the attack, I would have grabbed anything I could find to help them out.  It’s just too bad for the cell phone guy that there weren't men like Solus or Marshal'ette's son's in the restaurant when this happened.

[tombogan03884]

GunpowderAnd Lead, Welcome to the forum. I know I speak for all here when I say I hope you have indeed found the site you were looking for.

[Dougdubya]

I wouldn't have thrown down the phone.  It'd at least make a good fist load.   

[Teresa Heilevang]

GunpowderAndLead... welcome girl!  Please don't be a stranger in here. (It would be nice to have some "female back-up "once and awhile. LOL)
Not that you really need it in here. These guys in here are the best & will go to the ends of the earth for you..in many many ways.
(Behave yourself Haz..  don't comment) 

Concerning the video.. if a few of "our kind" hung out together.. we could have definitely lended a constructive hand to helping the cell phone guy..and maybe got a few more to chip in and put some knots on that mean dudes head!
The cell phone user who should have (in my opinion) put the phone down and paid more attention to Ms Loud Mouth Soup... Maybe been on alert mode.  But he still probably would have got his ass whupped.

I really DO wonder why people as a whole don't jump in and band together when an injustice is happening. It has become such a lackadaisical.. who cares... it doesn't concern me attitude. Makes me sick.