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James Brady
« on: August 04, 2014, 04:21:10 PM »
Get ready for the attack on the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

Today James Brady died, and every radio and print report talks more about him as a victim and champion for gun regulation.

One third of Mr. Brady's life was spent as nothing more than a prop for his wife and the rest of the freedom haters.  I feel bad for what happened to everybody touched that day, but I feel the most for Mr. Brady because of how he has been abused for the last quarter century.

I feel bad for Mrs. Giffords today, because I believe this is the event that her husband has been waiting for so he can become the next Sara Brady. 
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Re: James Brady
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2014, 04:48:28 PM »
Hi;

    In a few days we can expect a funding/donation campaign in his memory from his wife. Within the next year, I doubt if we will hear much from her anymore - maybe an occational response from another shooting - but basically, She has a lot of money to keep her personally comfortable.

     She will do the $$$ talking tours if she wants to keep in the news or needs more money. Since he died of other than gunshot wounds - her forum is waning on isolation. She will need another "victim" to keep going strong.

     have not heard much from Gabby or Husband...How is thier money flow working for them ?

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Re: James Brady
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2014, 07:46:12 PM »
The Brady's day passed a long time ago.  It's not widely known, but they were actually willing to sit down and address concerns with the NRA - unlike Bloomberg, who is about as reasonable and subtle as a Sherman Tank.  The Bradys and the Giffords cannot get anything done without public support - which makes them much easier to deal with.  Bloomberg doesn't need any public support - as events in Colorado showed.  His organizations are pure AstroTruf - and he can afford to put a lot of that stuff in.

If - and this is a huge if - expanded federal background checks are passed, chances are we will both be able to minimize that threat to our rights and be able to get some things in return.  Last time around, in the final version of the bill had a ton of pro-gun rights provisions - including the right to buy a gun in any state and criminal sanctions for creating a gun registry - and they still could not get it passed...... next time it's going to take something like nullification of oppressive state gun laws or nation wide reciprocity to even get it close to passing.

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Re: James Brady
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2014, 05:10:06 AM »
If - and this is a huge if - expanded federal background checks are passed, chances are we will both be able to minimize that threat to our rights and be able to get some things in return.  Last time around, in the final version of the bill had a ton of pro-gun rights provisions - including the right to buy a gun in any state and criminal sanctions for creating a gun registry - and they still could not get it passed...... next time it's going to take something like nullification of oppressive state gun laws or nation wide reciprocity to even get it close to passing.

Don't be fooled.  Those pro-gun provisions were put in the bill to keep it from passingm not because the antis want to give us anything.     I don't like how "compromise" is played out in DC.   I say never give in to anything they want to foist on us. 

Here's a cartoon about Israel negotiating with Hamas.    Substitute Bloomberg for Hamas and "BAN ALL GUNS" for his demand, and us for Israel.

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Re: James Brady
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2014, 06:01:03 AM »
Al is right and it's like Michael says, the antigunners are not having a debate with reasonable dialogue.  It's a fools game for us...as soon as they think they have the upper hand it's "Turn them in Mr. & Mrs. America."  It may look like a debate, have dialogue like a debate and be publicized as a reasonable dialogue but it is not....they lie, they cheat and they steal.  It is what they do it is who they are.

Did not the "reasonable dialogue champions" from the antigun side within the week after the last tragedy switch to absolute confiscation a couple of years ago?  Yes they did.  And so now they ask for "common ground" and "sensible regulation" again?  Yes...just as they did before attempting to ram total confiscation down our throats. 

I would say the extended breath and depth of the current ammo shortage is a direct reflection of many of the hunters and the "Uncle Fudds" among us finally realizing antigunners are not just after the evil black rifles but also the .22 LR, the 30-30, and the family shotgun.

Don't be fooled.  Those pro-gun provisions were put in the bill to keep it from passingm not because the antis want to give us anything.     I don't like how "compromise" is played out in DC.   I say never give in to anything they want to foist on us. 

Here's a cartoon about Israel negotiating with Hamas.    Substitute Bloomberg for Hamas and "BAN ALL GUNS" for his demand, and us for Israel.


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Re: James Brady
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Re: James Brady
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2014, 06:51:37 AM »
"Shall not be infringed" !
With the constant reports of gun related crime in areas with restrictive gun laws, the continual association of "mass shootings" and "gun free zones", and the increasing focus on mental health issues, the anti gun lobby has lost all credibility.
It's no longer "anti crime", it's no longer "for the children", it is now, just because they hate guns.

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Re: James Brady
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2014, 10:48:02 AM »
I say never give in to anything they want to foist on us.

Exact Dead Center Bullseye.

When the discussion is about how many and how much of our God given, Constitution protected freedoms they can take from us, there will be no further "discussion". 

I felt bad for Jim & Sarah Brady.
Their lives were forever damaged by a madman. Seeing someone you love hurt and almost killed is heartbreaking.

But when that anger is not focused on the madman that did the deed and instead prostituted to deprive honest citizens of their rights, Sarah and the rest of the commie bastards can kiss my Royal Irish Ass. 
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Re: James Brady
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2014, 09:38:03 PM »
Don't be fooled.  Those pro-gun provisions were put in the bill to keep it from passing not because the antis want to give us anything.     I don't like how "compromise" is played out in DC.   I say never give in to anything they want to foist on us.

The hard core antis certainly do not want to give us anything - but once a politician  becomes invested in a bill they really want it to pass.  Furthermore, some of the antis are willing to give us something in return for something that they can label as a victory.

Now, should we support such bills?  I think it's dumb not to consider it, while maintaining our skeptical view of the other side.  By the time the final version of the last bill was put up for a vote, it could be argued that either way - we won.  Defeat it, and we hand them a loss.  Pass it, and it we don't have to report family transfers, we get teeth on FOPA, and the right to buy a gun in any state.

Now let me say that I know I'm going to get flamed, but I agree with Alan Gura (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oRWMxfTcfs ).  Gura is certainly not a traitor to the gun rights movement - in fact he has been at the center of many of our recent legal victories.   I think if Republicans take the Senate we should draft a background check bill of our own, attach a bunch of pro-gun rights provisions (all of the above - and national CCW reciprocity, and maybe federal preemption of most areas of gun law) and send it to Obama.  Before you flame me, here's my reasoning:

1) Expanded background checks are the only gun control action that has wide support outside of the small number of anti-gun rights activists.  If we remove that issue, they have almost no support - even in times when events favor them.  They become much more marginalized than they are today.

2) One of the dangers in continuing to allow the antis to have this issue to bring up is that they can write some horrible laws and call it "background checks" - just look at Colorado and it's Bloomberg authored laws.  If we write the law, we can do things like defining a transfer as transfer of ownership and making it a felony to uses the data to create a registry.  We can control the other provisions and prevent them from sneaking in other gun control provisions from their wish list.

3) As I mentioned - we don't just pass a background check bill - we look for pro-gun rights provisions that the public supports.  Like CCW reciprocity.  Most "non-gun people" don't understand why a carry permit is not like a drivers license.  Preemption of state laws would be more difficult, but might be possible - after all, the antis are always talking about how gun laws in restrictive states don't work because of gun laws in other states. 

4) I think it's important to understand that the antis have a very small core, but they can influence a much larger group.  They do that by painting gun rights advocates like us as a small group of unreasonable extremists.  By taking the initiative, we can gain the support of most of this group and disprove the idea that we are "unreasonable".

5) I also have a creative way to implement expanded background checks.

a) Background checks would continue to be voluntary for private transfers - it would not be a crime to sell your guns without one, give them away without one or transfer to anyone - including people in other states (this would be new).

b) Anyone transferring a firearm to a prohibited person would be strictly criminally liable for such action.  "I didn't know" would not be a defense.

c) Any transfer conducted through an FFL with a background check would be exempt from prosecution even if the person receiving the firearm is a prohibited person.

So - if I am transferring to my family or a close friend and I am positive they are not prohibited, I just give them the gun.  If I don't know them, I probably would not want to transfer without a background check.

As far as allowing the ATF to fight "illegal dealers" or "illegal trafficking" or pushing prohibited persons into the illegal market - this law would be just as effective as requiring background checks on every transaction.  It would be very hard for the antis to argue that mandatory checks would be any more effective than such a program.  Should they oppose this law, the would have to admit that what they are really after is back door registration - not simply background checks.  That alone would be a huge victory for us.

6) If we are really lucky, some of the gun control groups will sign on to the deal in an effort to look like they are doing something - while others will oppose.  There is potential to divide our enemies.

7) The next time there is another Newtown, we will have preempted the one issue that they have majority support for.  If we put such a bill on Obama's desk and he vetoes it, he will think long and hard about calling for background checks - because we can say, "We put that on your desk and you vetoed it."  Even if there is a push, we will have much more control over the discussion.  Like it or not, the discussion would begin with our bill.  We can simply say, "We can send that bill up to you again TODAY."

So OK, I'm ready.  Shoot this proposal full of holes.  That's the way things get perfected.

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Re: James Brady
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2014, 12:56:25 AM »
How do you propose to open the NICS to private individuals?  Additionally would you want to give your SSN and other private info to someone?

If you mean all transfers must involve a FFL dealer to facilitate the transfer that is a non-starter.
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Re: James Brady
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2014, 07:36:50 AM »
Background checks are nothing but ground work for registration, registration ALWAYS leads to confiscation.
No gun owner can accept ANYTHING other than "Shall not be infringed" with out being a traitor to the culture and the Constitution.
There are currently over 20,000 local, state, and federal laws regulating our Constitutional Right.
THEY DO NOT WORK to reduce crime, or increase safety.
The only thing they accomplish is to convince the public that they can be just a little f*cked.
When you compromise with traitors and idiots it doesn't raise them closer to your standards, it lowers you toward theirs.

 

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