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Houston Mayor, subpoenas Pastors for sermons?
« on: October 15, 2014, 12:02:22 PM »
Apparently, church pastors in Houston, TX have been preaching about homosexuality, coming elections and their effects on the congregations. The Lesbian mayor doesn't like it, and has successfully solicited the courts to issue subpoenas for sermons if they mention the aforementioned or subversive text. Sounds like the Texas Rangers need to be called in, corrupt local or State governments, are part of their job description.
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Re: Houston Mayor, subpoenas Pastors for sermons?
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2014, 12:58:38 PM »
It's a pretty simple 1st Amendment case, but if they tolerate it they don't deserve any better.

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Re: Houston Mayor, subpoenas Pastors for sermons?
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2014, 03:03:53 PM »
If they are inciting violence good for her otherwise screw her.
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Re: Houston Mayor, subpoenas Pastors for sermons?
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2014, 03:45:38 PM »
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
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Re: Houston Mayor, subpoenas Pastors for sermons?
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2014, 04:02:30 PM »
If they are inciting violence good for her otherwise screw her.

Errrrrrr!!!  Wrong!!!

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Whether or not the people choose to participate in civil disobedience due to the preaching does not justify or nullify her orders.  To cast a broad net of subpoenas because she disagrees with the Religion is unconstitutional.
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Re: Houston Mayor, subpoenas Pastors for sermons?
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Re: Houston Mayor, subpoenas Pastors for sermons?
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2014, 04:35:07 PM »
If they are inciting people to stone gays, then yes they need to be held accountable for that.  And yes, the bible does say to do that.
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Re: Houston Mayor, subpoenas Pastors for sermons?
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2014, 05:28:05 PM »
If they are inciting people to stone gays, then yes they need to be held accountable for that.  And yes, the bible does say to do that.

Can you point out where?  I don't remember any place in particular that suggests the death penalty for any particular sin, at least not in the New Testament.

However, if the city was concerned that the pastors where indeed trying incite murder then I don't this would be the proper way of investigating it.

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Re: Houston Mayor, subpoenas Pastors for sermons?
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2014, 05:40:49 PM »
First off, both the Jewish Faith and Christian Faith recognize the Old Testament, but even the most Orthedox Jew no longer has the infrastructure in place to follow through on Biblical punishment, and Christians follow the teachings of Christ where the sin is still a sin, but we leave it in God's hands.

Second, this is about removing right and wrong from the world and making everything the same.  Liberals can not stand the idea that there are moral absolutes that define right and wrong.  In the 60's a book came out titled I'm OK, You're OK.  This pushed the idea of no moral absolutes and no competitive reward.  We are seeing this idea grow year after year.

If this Mayor wants to hear the sermons she can attend a service, or she can tie a criminal suspect to a crime and testimony that implicates the pastor and their sermon, then she can subpoena the text for criminal activity.  Until then I refer her to the First Amendment.
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Re: Houston Mayor, subpoenas Pastors for sermons?
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2014, 06:14:56 PM »
Can you point out where?  I don't remember any place in particular that suggests the death penalty for any particular sin, at least not in the New Testament.

However, if the city was concerned that the pastors where indeed trying incite murder then I don't this would be the proper way of investigating it.

its in Leviticus  I want to say high teens low 20s
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Re: Houston Mayor, subpoenas Pastors for sermons?
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2014, 06:18:47 PM »
Leviticus 20:13...

Old Testament..


 

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