Glen Beck Hits It Out Of The Park!

[JC5123]

You don't have to openly advocate for violent resistance to get the point across. The fact is, while peaceful resolution is always the preferred method of change, sometimes you have to stand. Holding hands and singing songs only gets you so far. I think it was Lord of War? Ian Holms character CORRECTLY stated "bullets change governments far surer than votes."

The biggest problem with Beck is that he is satisfied to sit on the train tracks and be run over when the stock cars start rolling east. He just seems so disillusioned to the fact that insurrection (even nonviolent) is far more effective. We have the power to change things. We have the tools written in the Constitution. We have the power over government, but we must exert that power. People like Beck that only preach hopelessness and despair only serve to create a bunch of pacifists.

He likes to fancy himself a modern day Thomas Paine. But Paine was no sissy. He told it like it was and fully supported the Continentals. I get it with having to answer to your income source. But spinelessness is not a trait we need right now. It is exactly that type of woe is me attitude that has brought us to this point.

We need inspiring leaders. Not ones who tell us it's all lost and it is wrong to take a stand. 

[Big Frank]

You don't have to openly advocate for violent resistance to get the point across. The fact is, while peaceful resolution is always the preferred method of change, sometimes you have to stand. Holding hands and singing songs only gets you so far. I think it was Lord of War? Ian Holms character CORRECTLY stated "bullets change governments far surer than votes."

The biggest problem with Beck is that he is satisfied to sit on the train tracks and be run over when the stock cars start rolling east. He just seems so disillusioned to the fact that insurrection (even nonviolent) is far more effective. We have the power to change things. We have the tools written in the Constitution. We have the power over government, but we must exert that power. People like Beck that only preach hopelessness and despair only serve to create a bunch of pacifists.

He likes to fancy himself a modern day Thomas Paine. But Paine was no sissy. He told it like it was and fully supported the Continentals. I get it with having to answer to your income source. But spinelessness is not a trait we need right now. It is exactly that type of woe is me attitude that has brought us to this point.

We need inspiring leaders. Not ones who tell us it's all lost and it is wrong to take a stand.

The American people have all the power but 50% of them are below average intelligence. That's why we end up with the kind of politicians we always get. As long as stupid people keep making stupid choices we end up going nowhere. Our only hope is for someone to educate the masses. I've never listened to Glen Beck but from this thread it doesn't sound like he's going to be our savior. Someone with more backbone needs to speak up, sponsors be damned, but no one wants to be it.

[tombogan03884]

Perhaps. But Beck doesn't want to take that kind of gamble. I can't say as I blame him. I'm no lawyer, but calling for violent resistance against a government, or anyone else on public F.C.C. controlled airwaves, is basically telling people to break the law, and do physical harm in the process. If that happened, I'm not sure of what the legal consequences would be for Beck personally. Could he be held responsible? Or be charged as an agitator trying to aid in overthrowing the government? Would the F.C.C. pull his, or his stations license? I don't know. Perhaps Mr. Bane can chime in here. I'm sure he has had to bite his tongue on the air many times. I know these guys all walk on egg shells when they talk about gun control, along with the peoples rights on national television. They keep everything in general terms.

Yeah, words have consequences. For Al Sharpton, who has made a career of calling for violence which has resulted in several deadly riots, the consequences have been getting out of paying $4 million in taxes.
At a time when what is needed is one credible leader to stand up and say it's past time to water the tree Beck's stance is nothing but cowardice.

[tombogan03884]

Dana Loecsh has more balls than Beck.

[billt]

Dana Loecsh has more balls than Beck.

So does Ann Barnhart. But it doesn't matter because both preach to no one but the choir..... Just like Beck.

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[tombogan03884]

Bill, you miss the point. The choir are the only ones who matter. The rest are either the enemy or mere sheep who don't matter.
That's why it was treason for Obama to arm the Syrian moderates, moderates by definition won't fight so it was a back door to arming ISIS with YOUR money.

[billt]

Bill, you miss the point. The choir are the only ones who matter. The rest are either the enemy or mere sheep who don't matter.
That's why it was treason for Obama to arm the Syrian moderates, moderates by definition won't fight so it was a back door to arming ISIS with YOUR money.

The problem is you're never going to get them, (the choir), to do ANYTHING that matters. Even an ARMED million man march on Washington would bring enough attention to make all but the hardest far left liberals walk away from any new gun control proposals. No one does it. Not even the NRA. They've got all they can do to get members to mail in $5 bucks once and a while. They just cry and bitch about...... "You're rights as an American". If you can't even get that out of them, you sure as hell won't get "armed resistance". For that, the bulk of the populace has to endure some real pain for a long time. Expensive health care, along with a higher than normal unemployment rate isn't going to do it.

[JC5123]

I have to disagree with you Bill. I think that you absolutely COULD get results from an armed insurrection. It would probably be more that 3% and it would be effective, and you would most likely never have to fire a shot. Case in point, Bundy Ranch. Regardless of whether or not you agree with how it all started or the fallout afterwards, it proved that .gov does not have overwhelming power when confronted with an armed populace. The Feds backed down. Because they knew if they fired, it was over. The militia's that were involved knew that the feds had to fire the first shot. Consider what would have happened if we didn't have the news coverage that we have today?

What prevents this from going onto the next phase of actually cleaning house (as it were) is the lack of any kind of real leadership. Secondly, and this is the more critical aspect, is starting the ball rolling and having it be represented for what it is.

The propaganda war is where our side gets completely creamed. The media is controlled by the elite, so any move made against them will not be portrayed fairly. Not to mention half of the country being too stupid to look at anything with a critical mind. This is why it is so critical for voices on the right to have the stones to say what needs to be said. 

[billt]

I'm not saying you wouldn't get results. I am saying you wouldn't get an armed insurrection. People in this country simply aren't motivated enough. Yes, they're more pissed off than ever before. But about all the manifestation as you'll get from their being pissed off is a vote for Trump. They're miles away from locking and loading.

[billt]

To prove my point, just look at where the bulk of the electorate in this country stands with Muslims in general. Most are perfectly OK with them. "Oh, they're not all bad". They don't want us to shoot at them. Many sympathize with them. Yeah, Trump wants to, "Bomb the shit out of them". But look at how he is treated by most for simply saying it. Now imagine if he got in and really did it?

This country has the most piss poor attitude I've ever seen in 63 years of living. At best you've got 2% or 3% like us, who are actually willing to go to guns over this. You may have another 4% or 5% who will cheer you on from the side lines. The rest are going to think you're nothing more than a whacked out, far right fringe of a, "gun culture run amok". And they'll hide under their beds like the gutless pussies they are....... And always have been, expecting the government to take care of them in some way, shape, or form.

Look at how the election is shaping up. When you get right down to it, I sincerely doubt most of the people have the guts to even vote for Trump. They're "afraid" of him, and or, "what he might do". You would think the Independent's would be jumping for joy over him. Especially after 8 years of Obama. They're not. Many are predicting a Hillary rout if Trump is the nominee. He should win in a landslide! But he won't. Right now I think he'll be lucky if he even gets the nomination.

Now transfer all of this fact into an "armed insurrection". It would be a total disaster. The current government would wipe us out in 5 minutes, and the vast majority would be cheering them on. They love the current government, and want nothing but MORE of it. That's why they'll all be voting for Hillary. She'll give it to them. They don't give a shit about the weak economy, because the bulk of them aren't interested in working in the first place. You've got half the population right now on the government dole, all getting some type of monetary benefit from it. They're sure as hell not going to shoot at that! They'll just cheer for the candidate who will give them more of it. Enter Hillary.

The military would support them and not you because you would be painted as a, "direct enemy of the state", by every outlet that had a microphone or a printing press. And the idiots would swallow it hook, line, and sinker. Just like they all do now. Say what you want about Glen Beck. But he knows and understands all of this. So he talks, and makes his millions off of all of their weaknesses. He's their savior, and he'll never have to fire a shot.

Right now this country is so completely overdosed on LAZY and DUMB, we can't even get a guy with some guts elected. Let alone have those same people go to guns, and pick up arms against an oppressive government, they themselves don't think is oppressive. They just think they don't hand out enough free stuff. I mean after all, that very same government has been telling them they, "deserve it" for the last 8 years. They're certainly not going to shoot at that. They'd rather shoot the family dog. He gives them free shit. Just not the kind they're interested in.