Poll - Ultimate Fighting Handgun ----> Glock vs 1911

[tombogan03884]

Another thing that JumboFrank neglected to address is "accuracy" when we're talking "Fighting handguns" we are not talking about 25 yard groups, more like 25 feet or even 25 INCHES, at those ranges at 6 inch group center mass with .45 acp will make any one think twice, EVEN IF THEY ARE wearing body armor. No body armor they may be dead, WITH armor they will have bruises that will make their relatives hurt

[Big Frank]

I used to work with a guy who was a Tunnel Rat in Vietnam - one of the most dangerous jobs in the history of warfare. Everytime he crawled into a hole he bet his life on a 1911 that was left over from WWII or earlier. Anyone here want to crawl into a tunnel like that with a 30 year old Glock? Oh wait a minute, there aren't any! If I had to chose one of these two pistols, I'd pick the one that was designed to be a fighting pistol and used in several wars, not the one that was designed to be a cheap pistol and carried by several police. More than 2 out of 3 people here choose the 1911 too so I know it's not just my opinion. In a few years I'll probably get a centennial model to go with my 1994 Winchester 1894. Maybe I'll trade my 75th anniversary PPK for it.

[TAB]

I've chosen the Glock, for the same reason I like the AK and the FAL. Simplicity and reliability. You can argue all you want, but 1911s are typically less reliable out of the box than Glocks, unless you buy quite a bit more than bare bones. For field stripping and maintenance, the Glock wins. For accuracy, I go with 1911, but it's relative (3 in at 15 yards versus 4 in). Overall, the 1911 is a great design, but the Glock is beats it out. Is it as pretty as a 1911? No. It's a tool, that doesn't really allow for the type of customizing that the 1911's wood and steel offers.

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For the part in bold, how can you say a gun you have to pull the trigger to field stip wins over one you do not?

[Big Frank]

For the part in bold, how can you say a gun you have to pull the trigger to field stip wins over one you do not?

Do you really have to do that?    I was taught that you keep your finger off the trigger until you're on target and ready to fire.

[Neon Knight Anubis]

Do you really have to do that?    I was taught that you keep your finger off the trigger until you're on target and ready to fire.

Yes, on a Glock you do, as well as a vast majority of the polymer-striker fired pistols.

[Sponsor]

[TSB]

I have a friend that had a customer at his range who, while demostrating the trouble he had field striping his G-19, fire a round through the top of his glass display case and nearly take out Ken's left foot. 

There are people who have no business owning firearms!

Tim

[tombogan03884]

I have a friend that had a customer at his range who, while demostrating the trouble he had field striping his G-19, fire a round through the top of his glass display case and nearly take out Ken's left foot. 

There are people who have no business owning firearms!

Tim

   


That's why that is a BAD design feature. But it also illustrates that if you overlook BASIC safety practices BAD things happen.

[TexasAggie01]

For the part in bold, how can you say a gun you have to pull the trigger to field stip wins over one you do not?

Easy. Follow the four (or however many you wish) rules of firearms safety in a rational manner. Almost all of us, if honest, would admit we dry fire in some way which violates rule 3. I use Snap caps, for example, and aim at a safe backstop.

After that admittedly imperfect step, the Glock breaks down into 4 big parts (5 counting the mag) parts. With your fingers alone. Detail stripping requires the Glock disassembly tool. That's it. The 1911, IIRC, into at least 7 big and tiny parts (8 with mag), some of those small parts we have to find on the floor, or even embdeed in the ceiling. (That's a story for another time). The 1911 is easiest to disassemble with the 1911 Barrel Bushing Wrench we all know and love, and IIRC, can be detail stripped with some of the parts integral to the gun, but still requires more tools. I don't detail strip, so I would welcome enlightenment on that issue.

David Hackworth details multiple NDs in his books, with the 1911 (and M1 Garand). All were violation of one of the rules. And, FWIW, my non-firing pin block safety Kimber requires me to dry fire it if it's empty to avoid sear damage. It's actually detailed in the manual.

All that said, I would love it if Glock could get make that step work another way. And, if I had a 1911, I wouldn't feel I was at a disadvantage. I just prefer a simpler gun.

[tombogan03884]

I've been using 1911's  for 30 years and have never actually SEEN a barrel buhing wrench, could some one please post a picture of one ?

[TAB]

The only guns I've ever seen that need a barrel bushing wrench were the premadona race guns.

If your a sissy the front of th base plate for the mag works perfectly to depress the spring... its like it was designed to do that or something