Sig Over Glock?..... Not So Fast.

[TAB]

What if they were being lied to about the ammo? That's the first thing they themselves should check. It's the first thing we do when we have a gun that malfunctions. You try a different type of ammo. If that doesn't fix it, you try a different magazine. If that's not it, only then do you suspect parts as the problem.

Besides, Sig tests these guns with every make, type, and weight of ammo known to mankind..... Before they ever ship one. If ammo is a problem, they'll know which brand weight, and type to avoid. This all regardless of what the customer tells them. When you take your car into the dealer, they don't listen to you. They will diagnose the problem on their own, regardless of what you tell the service manager. That conversation never reaches the mechanic who ends up under your hood.

you are assuming its factory and made by sammi and/or the intn'l one I can't remember right now)  it very well could be their own/some one elses reloads, or come from a none standard manufactor.

would not be the 1st time.  hell I know some of the 'green" primers have shelf lives of only about 5 years.   I have seen those for sale in large quanties on surplus site well past their shelf lives. 

[billt]

No factory firearm is guaranteed to work with reloads of any kind. They automatically void the warranty on ANY new gun. You can't possibly sue a gun manufacturer complaining that their weapons won't work with reloads. You would be laughed out of court.

[Big Frank]

that really means nothing, with out seeing the contract.

Without seeing the contract all we can do is guess, but the model they got for testing should have been the model they were buying. Why would Sig provide them with test guns that weren't even the same as what they were buying? Was it a bait and switch? See how good these pistols are? You're not getting them. 

[TAB]

That does not mean they did not ask them for it... we don't know what the difference is, it could be sites or grip texture.f

[billt]

Without seeing the contract all we can do is guess, but the model they got for testing should have been the model they were buying. Why would Sig provide them with test guns that weren't even the same as what they were buying? Was it a bait and switch? See how good these pistols are? You're not getting them.

There is just so much wrong here on BOTH SIDES. It's all but impossible to ascertain the truth.

1.) Different guns supplied, other than what the customer ordered.

2.) Alleged "bad ammo".

3.) Not even known if the supposed defective ammo was factory loaded, or departmental reloads. (No brand name has been provided. Or lists of ammunition that worked or didn't.)

4.) The manufacturer replacing parts on guns that there was supposedly nothing wrong with. Besides the allegation of using, "bad" ammunition.

5.) One side saying said weapons worked with duty ammunition. The other side saying they didn't.

Unless someone was in the courtroom, or has actual court transcripts that can decide who said what, this is all but impossible to decipher with any accuracy. Let alone place accurate blame.

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[Timothy]

We have warranty issues on equipment we build from others drawings.  The client tells us what components to use and if those parts fail, we're still bound to correct the issue contractually.  We demand the failed parts back prior to shipping new parts to determine if the components have been altered or damaged since install.  Did Sig follow that protocol?

Dunno...

[Rastus]

There is just so much wrong here on BOTH SIDES. It's all but impossible to ascertain the truth.

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Unless someone was in the courtroom, or has actual court transcripts that can decide who said what, this is all but impossible to decipher with any accuracy. Let alone place accurate blame.

It is what is in the contract first.  Testimony is from the courtroom to collaborate either sides contentions and how they each adhere to the contract.  A problem for SIG is if they gave them something outside the contract, for instance, extra help to address problems caused by the customer, then they could be screwed.  A really big problem here is that the "state" in general has no problem paying lawyers ad infinitum so purchasing agents often get their way even when wrong. 

[tombogan03884]

State of NJ ?
Yeah, I'll believe them