22 Mag Semi-Auto Rifle Input Wanted

[billt]

....... And there's .223 Remington at 20.5 cents per round, so it's cheaper to shoot .223 in an AR than it is .17 HMR.

It's also cheaper to shoot 9 MM. I would consider the new Ruger 9 MM Carbine before anything in the series of Magnum semi auto rimfires. They are the same cost wise, and are more dependable. A lot of .22 Mag semi's have functioning problems. Especially if they get a little dirty. The long, non tapered case can cause feeding and extraction issues in a dirty chamber. I can't understand the high cost of .22 WMR ammo. It is no more costly or different to manufacture than .22 L.R.

You have a little more brass involved. Along with a few more steps in drawing out the longer case. And it does use more expensive jacketed bullets, along with a tad more powder..... But all of that does not justify 8 times greater cost. It just doesn't.

Look at 9 MM, or .223 like you mentioned. The cases take a LOT more brass. It is much more involved to manufacture them, because it requires a machining procedure to make the rim. There is a primer pocket and a flash hole involved. Not to mention a primer for each round. And it also takes more expensive jacketed bullets, that are far larger, requiring more lead and copper to make, and a LOT more powder per round. And in spite of all that it is still as cheap, or cheaper than the cheapest .22 WMR. It doesn't make sense. And a 9 MM or .223 / 5.56 MM will dispatch a Coyote with more authority than a .22 Mag.

[Majer]

Cost has to do with demand, .223/5.56 ammo is used in great volume by our Government as well as citizen shooters, so with more of it being made, the price comes down. I would guess that the number of shooters using ,22 Mag is 10% or less of .223/5.56 shooters.

[billt]

Cost has to do with demand, .223/5.56 ammo is used in great volume by our Government as well as citizen shooters, so with more of it being made, the price comes down. I would guess that the number of shooters using ,22 Mag is 10% or less of .223/5.56 shooters.

I agree. Another thing is the fact the .17 HMR along with the .17 WMR have taken a lot of sales away from the already slow selling .22 WMR. I know back in the 60's and 70's the .22 WMR enjoyed much better sales. But they slowly dropped off to where it is now. There also doesn't seem to be as many guns for sale chambered in that round. And most all of the one's that are seem to be bolt actions. The .22 WMR has always had issues in semi auto guns.

[Big Frank]

The Savage A22 Magnum with its delayed blowback action and 10-round rotary magazine has taken care of the issues other semi-auto .22 WMR rifles have had in the past. At least that's what it says in some reviews of it.

[billt]

The Savage A22 Magnum with its delayed blowback action and 10-round rotary magazine has taken care of the issues other semi-auto .22 WMR rifles have had in the past. At least that's what it says in some reviews of it.

I've heard even they've had some issues when used with standard .22 WMR ammo. Which is why CCI has come out with specialized .22 Magnum ammunition for it.

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[Rastus]

We ended up with one of these:  http://www.excelarms.com/rifles/acceleratorrifle.html

And this:  https://www.truglo.com/optics-red-dots/tru-tec-30mm-red-dot-sight-with-laser.asp?catid=52E3D7409570433EBF69FA2CBEB51CA6

[PegLeg45]

Cool.

[TAB]

I use my 17 rem mag for yotes.  it will not go thru them.  makes the tiny entre hole that is often very hard to find.  their insides are goo.   its often used by fur hunters.   

[Big Frank]

I've heard about people having a lot of problems with Accelerators. I'm looking forward to hearing how it runs, especially since I was interested in their pistols. One guy did a review on YouTube and said after he sent his rifle in and finally got it back, it works well. Too bad spare mags are $36 apiece. It may be possible to modify the follower of the 9-round magazine to get a few more rounds in.

The CZ 512 is $49 cheaper and uses the same mags as the CZ 455. Polymer 10-round mags from shop.cz-usa.com are $34. The CZ is 2 pounds lighter, but quite a bit longer. It should have good accuracy with the 20.5" hammer forged barrel. It uses the same scope rings as the CZ 455, but only has an 11mm dovetail for mounting optics. That's going to be a deal breaker for a lot of people. It's not tactical enough, but I'd love to see a side by side comparison of the 2 rifles and the cheaper, lighter Savage A12 with its $20 mags.

[Rastus]

17 mag is bad ass.  I found my way to a 17 Fireball.  Not quite as fast but it doesn't have the throat erosion of the mag....or at least that's what I read....so I went with the Fireball.  I have the original 221 Fireball in the XP-100 pistol so...I can use that brass if I need to someday.  I still want a 17 mag...but for now I'm focusing on putting up new fence.

The Accelerator goes well with my wife's (it used to be mine) 5.7 pistol. 

Frank I managed a "full suite" of CZ 452's in full wood stock.  The 17 HMR was first and I recently Gunbroker acquired a 22LR and a 22 mag.  I have scopes and rings for the two 22's.  The 452 is a nicer gun than the replacement 455...for instance it has the swaged chamber and a well fitted stock as opposed to the 455's straight pipe like barrel and woodwork.  The 17 HMR is a bughole shooter....I'm hoping the 22's are as well.  You'd think the Mannlicher stock would seriously detract from accuracy but, happily, it doesn't.  One of my absolutely most accurate rifles is a CZ 550 Mannlicher stock in 270...it also came with the very best trigger I've ever had.