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Re: RIA USA VRF14 12 gauge firearm
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2023, 10:02:32 AM »
If I ever SBS this gun it will be super simple, and the parts aren't very expensive either. I would just need to file a Form 4, I believe it is, to get permission to manufacture an SBS, pay the tax and wait. NcSTAR makes their VISM brand of shotgun accessories that are fully compatible. All I would have to do is remove the End Cap and replace it with a Shotgun Telestock Tube - Commercial-Spec. I could also replace the End Cap with a Left Side Folding Stock Adapter or Right Side Folding Stock Adapter, and attach the Shotgun Telestock Tube to it. Then I could pick up a cheap commercial-spec AR carbine buttstock, like this Tacfire AR-15 Commercial M4 Style 6 Position Stock. I can get the Left Side Folding Stock Adapter, Shotgun Telestock Tube - Commercial-Spec, and Tacfire AR-15 Commercial M4 Style 6 Position Stock, all for less than $65 right now from Optics Planet.

https://www.ncstar.com/optics-acc/vg-series/shotgun-accessories/?per_page=100&current_page=1&sort_by=3

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Re: RIA USA VRF14 12 gauge firearm
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2023, 10:23:08 AM »
The NcSTAR VISM Shotgun grip adaptors are available for Mossberg 500/590 and Maverick 88 shotguns, Remington 870 shotguns, and now a Turkish shotgun ergonomic pistol grip adapter in black only is available. It's compatible with these Turkısh shotguns brands: Asil Silah, Altobelli Arms, Armsan, ATA Arms, Atlas, Aziz Arms, Balikli Silah, Derya Arms, Eşrefoğlu Silah, Hatsan Escort, Huglu Atrox, Khan Arms A-Tac Force Duo-Sys, Kral Arms, Oncu Silah Sanayi, Pardus Arms, Şafak Av, Set Arms, Torun Arms, Typhoon Silah, Uzkon TRX, Waltter Silah.

Derya Arms makes all the RIA tacticool 12 gauge and 20 gauge shotguns, like the VR80 and VR60, etc., but if you buy a Derya brand it won't have the RIA Imports Limited Lifetime Warranty. On the other hand, Derya Arms makes things RIA doesn't sell, like 9.5", 14", and 17" versions of the MK-12. The MK-12 IPSC Version comes in 5 different barrel lengths.

https://deryaarms.com/
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Re: RIA USA VRF14 12 gauge firearm
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2023, 07:12:08 PM »
My NcSTAR VISM didn't work anymore after I brought my gun home from the break-in shooting session, so I'll be sending it back for repair or replacement. In the meantime, I put a PL Turbo Valkyrie Tactical Light from Olight on the gun a couple weeks ago. The bar that locks into your rail is switchable from a narrow Glock size to narmal Picatinny thickness, and is adjustable to 3 different positions. You just slide it back and forth to where you want it, and when you clamp the light to the rail it stays put. It uses 2 CR123 batteries side by side which makes it nice and compact. It has a Long Focus & Wide Angle Simultaneously: with a max 66,300-candela light intensity, max 515-meter throw and 800-lumen output. The exceptional center spotlight and impressive floodlight helps to view both distant and nearby surroundings clearly. Their words. The latch for the battery compartment door flips up to unlatch and can't accidentally open while it's mounted. You have to take the light off to flip the lever. I think that security is worth the minor inconvenience. I got the black one, on sale. It lists right now for $89.99 for black or desert tan. The switches on each side are momentary switches if you hold either one, and regular on/off switches if you click either one. Clicking both of them at the same time activates the strobe. I bought a bunch of Olight AA and AAA flashlights too.

I put OD green ERGO LOW-PRO LADDER RAIL COVERS over most of the top rail. I bought it for one of my ARs when I thought I wanted OD green accents and bought several M-LOK rail covers to match. Now I think I want it all black.

https://www.olightstore.com/pl-turbo-tactical-flashlight-with-spotlight-and-floodlight

https://www.ergogrips.net/shop/ergo-18-slot-lowpro-ladder-rail-cover-3-pack/
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Re: RIA USA VRF14 12 gauge firearm
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2023, 09:04:02 PM »
I found a YouTube video on that WML.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPpHibRpv-w
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Re: RIA USA VRF14 12 gauge firearm
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2024, 02:55:00 AM »
The NcSTAR VISM 45,90,-45 Degree Side to Side Vertical Grip is really small in diameter at the top. I wrapped a string around it yesterday and measured it at a hair over 3.5" IIRC. I have big hands and I'm used to holding something in them with more girth. A lot more. Instead of trying to Jerry-rig the grip to make it bigger, I took it off and put my BCM Vertical Grip Mod 3, Picatinny - Black on it instead. It's a better fit to my hand, but it's only 2.5" tall and I can't get more than 2 1/2 fingers on it. I still have the aluminum vertical grip, but really liked angling the other grip 45 degrees to the side. If I molded some epoxy putty around it, doubling the diameter at the top, it would fit my my hand a lot better. Now I'm looking at the aluminum grip trying to figure out how to attach it to the 45,0,-45 pivot upside down, so my little finger would be in the narrow top groove. I might end up not using any of these 3 and having to buy another, bigger VFG. One that fits adult male hands, which the side to side adjusting grip won't unless that guy is a little person. BTW, the Picatinny rails on my gun are undersized and I had to put 2 or 3 layers of electrical tape on the bottom rail before I tightened the grip down over it.
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Re: RIA USA VRF14 12 gauge firearm
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Re: RIA USA VRF14 12 gauge firearm
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2024, 07:44:33 PM »
I put a different VFG on the gun Friday night/Saturday morning. The big hump om the backstrap and undercut at the top forces your forefinger way out past the rest of your hand, but the frontstrap is cut back for your trigger finger, which doesn't have a trigger or trigger guard to rest on. My forefingers naturally extend farther than the rest of my fingers when I start to curl them up, so my finger just wants to stick out, unsupported. I need a grip like an M1911 grip angle with the front and back parallel. The grip was apparently made for people with great big hands, and little tiny index fingers. I have a package of Strike Industries Strike Bang Bands, and a pack of Strike Bang Band Minis, so I put a Bang Band Mini on it, with the finger ledge turned inward to take up some of the excess space. It still doesn't feel close to being right, but It's batter than having nothing under my finger, or trying to curl my index finger around tighter than all my other fingers. But it makes the back of the grip feel worse. You get what you pay for, and in this case I got a $7 VFG from CDNN.

The regular Bang Bands have a cable channel guide, for cable management. They're reversible, with texture on both sides, and the cable channel guide is small enough to fit into M-LOK compatible slots. The Bang Band Minis let you add anti-slip finger grooves and texture to just about anything you want. And the inside is smooth. They're all made of Nitrile Butadiene Rubber (NBR) and withstand heat up to 226° F, so the rail on your AR would have to be boiling hot before they melted. I took the crappy laser off the gun because the batteries in it died. It's too easy to bump the switch and turn it on without knowing it, so I probably turned it on when I set the gun down. I have 2 Bang Band Minis on my full-size Para-Ordnance, and one on my LDA 12-45. The P-10 grip isn't long enough to put one where it needs to be.

https://www.strikeindustries.com/bangband.html

https://www.strikeindustries.com/si-bangband-34mm.html



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Re: RIA USA VRF14 12 gauge firearm
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2024, 07:55:51 PM »
The Picatinny rails on my gun are so undersized that I put about 5 layers of electrical tape on top on the grip to tighten up the space between the rail and grip. I cut the tape long and left it taped to the front and back of the grip to keep it in place while I slid the grip on. After I got it locked down, I puled the tape taut and cut it off with an X-acto knife. It worked quite well doing it that way. That was a lot easier than sticking tape to the surface of the rail, where only half of it made contact, or wrapping it around the edges of the rail like I did with the last VFG.
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Re: RIA USA VRF14 12 gauge firearm
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2024, 01:35:34 PM »
I have a VFG on the way that I think I'll actually find usable, and comfortable enough. It's the Mission First Tactical (MFT) REACT Ergonomic Grip (REG). I ordered it from Wing Tactical yesterday, and got an email today saying they shipped it, the Strike Industries shotgun barrel clamp, and some other stuff. Strike Industries didn't have the black shotgun barrel clamp in stock, and probably won't for several weeks, but it was cheaper at Wing Tactical, one of their authorized dealers.

https://www.wingtactical.com/

Full fist-sized textured vertical grip with finger swells that provides a positive grip surface. This grip allows the support hand to apply rearward pressure to keep the weapon shouldered to enhance muzzle control and accuracy.

● Full sized vertical grip
● Contoured finger swells allow a firm grip even with gloved hands
● Secure watertight storage compartment
● Battery Sled with quick access tab diminishes rattle
● Flat non-slip bottom surface aids in supported firing positions

Weight: 2.3oz

Height: 4.601"

Width: 1.424"

Length: 2.203"

https://missionfirsttactical.com/REG

MFT also makes a REACT Quick Detach Grip (RQDG) I might like since it's even longer, and unlike a few of the grips I've already tried, it's smaller in diameter where your little finger goes than where your bigger fingers go. Instead of big where your little finger is and little where your bigger fingers are. But it's also like a hybrid of a broom handle style, so it may be too narrow. It's also a lot heavier.

Full fist-sized textured vertical grip that quickly detaches or attaches without the use of tools and provides a positive grip surface. Allows the support hand to apply rearward pressure keeping the weapon shouldered, yielding better muzzle control and accuracy.

● Quick detach vertical grip
● Grooved gripping surfaces to eliminate hand slippage
● Secure watertight storage

Weight: 4.0oz

Height: 5.096"

Width: 1.240"

Length: 2.00"

https://missionfirsttactical.com/RQDG

If I had a gun store, I would rig up a stock with a horizontal wheel up front and have a bunch of different VFGs attached, so people could shoulder it and hold each VFG until they found that one Goldilocks grip that felt just right. You could have 2 dozen small Pic rails screwed to the rim of a plastic bicycle wheel, and have a different VFG hanging from each one.
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Re: RIA USA VRF14 12 gauge firearm
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2024, 03:05:27 AM »
My index finger set directly on top of the top ridge on the new VFG, instead of between the finger grooves. So like some Glock owners, I ground and filed it down, then sanded it with 80 grit sandpaper. I put the last VFG in the picture for a comparison. That thing is HEAVY. I put the Olight PL Turbo Tactical Light with Spotlight and Floodlight on after I took the pics.
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Re: RIA USA VRF14 12 gauge firearm
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2024, 04:01:39 AM »
Here's someone's idea of a zombie ready QD VFG.  :)
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