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Re: Preparations for the Dockworkers Strike--Just in Case it happens...
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2024, 01:57:45 PM »
  about 10 years ago they went on strike, 80% of the ports business  was one company.   They said fu and went to a different  port.   Most of the long shore man got laid off.

LOL. Well, that didn't go the way they expected.
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Re: Preparations for the Dockworkers Strike--Just in Case it happens...
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2024, 02:09:43 PM »
Some of us (Lowly little me and a few high power businessmen i have become friends with) have been following this. The demands are for $5 per hour pay increase per year for six years, no automated gates, no automated crane functions, and no automated transports in the yards. I watched and listened to these highly successful men reason it out. These men grew business from nothing to annual sales ranging from $750 million to $1.25 billion. They did this while keeping the unions out. Their labor strategy was to pay above union scale, have superior benefits to union, and offer overtime (big pay bonus for people who have a work ethic).

These men came up with a plan:
1. Offer a three-year contract with $10 per hour increase.
2. No automation additions to operations.

Now the kicker:
1. Automated gates, container tracking and vehicle tracking is available. Day one of year four all tracking, inventory, and access is automated.
2. Day one through month 6 of year four, all cranes are fitted with automated control and readers for RFID and/or bar codes.
3. Day one through month 3 of year four, all yard tractors are replaced with automated that will pickup empty chassis, move to be loaded with container, and move the chassis to the pickup lot.
4. Longshoremen will be offered the opportunity to modernize and grow with the companies, or they will be offered a small severance package to assit in vocational retraining or to aid in moving out of town.

 :o Their $30/hour pay INCREASE is more than my PAY ever was. That's ridiculous. Labor unions have done a lot of good, but if I owned a business and someone came to me with that demand, I'd replace them. Not everyone can sit at home and get paid to do nothing like they did with the COVID "free money" that was going around. The people who are still willing to work would take those jobs and be happy to have them.
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Re: Preparations for the Dockworkers Strike--Just in Case it happens...
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2024, 06:41:01 PM »
:o Their $30/hour pay INCREASE is more than my PAY ever was. That's ridiculous. Labor unions have done a lot of good, but if I owned a business and someone came to me with that demand, I'd replace them. Not everyone can sit at home and get paid to do nothing like they did with the COVID "free money" that was going around. The people who are still willing to work would take those jobs and be happy to have them.

Keep in mind what these very successful businessmen are planning with their statements. The carrot on the stick is the three $10 raises. The masses will go for it, borrow against their future wealth, and dream of their next time at the table demanding more. However, this three year period will allow technology to be put in place and be tested (the frog in the pot). At the end of the period the trimming of fat and replacement of workers will take place. Technology will demand that workers have more skills to operate the systems rather than sweating. Yes, people will be paid much more, but many people will be left behind because they refused to grow with the changes.  Efficiency and productivity will pay for these higher paid and higher skilled workers who moved along with the company.
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Re: Preparations for the Dockworkers Strike--Just in Case it happens...
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2024, 10:59:03 PM »
What you said, Mike, reminds me of situations I've seen. Instead of a $1,000 per year bonus for 10 years, most people will take a $5,000 signing bonus. Or even $2,000. Something like that. It's what GM used to do. I don't know if they still do, but probably so.

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Re: Preparations for the Dockworkers Strike--Just in Case it happens...
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2024, 03:53:09 AM »
They are asking for a 62% pay increase over 5 years....
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Re: Preparations for the Dockworkers Strike--Just in Case it happens...
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2024, 01:53:29 PM »
They are asking for a 62% pay increase over 5 years....

And refusing to let the company do anything to improve efficiency and productivity.  Latest, they are getting a chunk of their pay increase, but automation discussions are tabled until mid-January. Ports open, and both sides betting on which way the election will go.
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Re: Preparations for the Dockworkers Strike--Just in Case it happens...
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2024, 02:29:48 PM »
Under the tentative new agreement, workers will earn a 61.5% raise over six years. That means the highest paid workers would make $63 per hour in the final year of the contract, up from $39. I thought only whores made that kind of money. It looks like I was right. ;)  I think they'll all be out of work when the contract is up.
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Re: Preparations for the Dockworkers Strike--Just in Case it happens...
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2024, 04:34:24 PM »
I am all for people getting paid a loving wage, but that for what amounts to truck drivers and fork lift "operators" is nuts.

Now the crane guys unloading the ships do make big bucks, but it's also very hard to get into and you can be fired for 1 bad day.

Even some of the most skilled excuvator operators in things like pipe/utilities/ mining don't make that.   Not even close.
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