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tombogan03884

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Re: Urine Test
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2008, 07:26:17 PM »
Toms right! However, since it is here and I have to take them (work in transportation) Why the hell shouldn't they ???


All or none sounds fair enough.

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Re: Urine Test
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2008, 07:29:17 PM »
I believe it would be ok in either one of two cases:

1.  As a condition of receiving their welfare with no arrest or prosecution attached;

2.  If they were made aware of the consequences of failing the test and took it anyway.

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Re: Urine Test
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2008, 07:35:50 PM »
I think thats how it works for "Pre - employment screening"

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Re: Urine Test
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2008, 08:30:09 PM »
I don't need someone to take a urine test to know that they are a "dope".  Seriously, it does violate our rights.  I thought I was innocent till proven guilty, not the other way around.  By the way I get test at my job.
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Re: Urine Test
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2008, 10:19:56 PM »
   I have to laugh at all the people that want to have urinalysis as a condition for welfare, I bet that would be a well run program. I bet it would be as honest and reliable as the welfare system itself, not to mention the cost of each test. I can imagine how happy the bureaucrats would be to that have to pull that duty. Imagine how much less effort they would put into the other things they do as a result.
   
   As far as drug tests go, I don't really think most people have any idea how rampant hard drug use is in the US. It is in EVERY neighborhood and most likely 1 out of 5 people you know is on drugs(and not marijuana.) The wastewater after treatment tests, that are most likely to become mandatory in the near future, for most waste water systems ( due to environmental concerns) are EYE OPENING !!!!!!!! As are the air quality testing machines ability now to pick up illegal substances(and what and how much they are picking up.)

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Re: Urine Test
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2008, 07:18:15 AM »
   I have to laugh at all the people that want to have urinalysis as a condition for welfare, I bet that would be a well run program. I bet it would be as honest and reliable as the welfare system itself, not to mention the cost of each test. I can imagine how happy the bureaucrats would be to that have to pull that duty. Imagine how much less effort they would put into the other things they do as a result.
   
   As far as drug tests go, I don't really think most people have any idea how rampant hard drug use is in the US. It is in EVERY neighborhood and most likely 1 out of 5 people you know is on drugs(and not marijuana.) The wastewater after treatment tests, that are most likely to become mandatory in the near future, for most waste water systems ( due to environmental concerns) are EYE OPENING !!!!!!!! As are the air quality testing machines ability now to pick up illegal substances(and what and how much they are picking up.)

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Re: Urine Test
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2008, 05:00:46 PM »
Then "parking lot gun bans are OK, you don't HAVE to work there. Quit being a hypocrite, you can't have it both ways.

As being one if the medical officers at the casino I work in I have to administer  these test and you can look at it two ways )1 Mandatory an keep yu job or )2 voluntary leave your  job, with  economics the way that they are you choose. But I agree with Tom you can"t pick and choose what amendment you want to support. you need to support the whole constitution as I look at it one amendment follows the other to support the other.
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Re: Urine Test
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2008, 05:09:23 PM »
I don't need someone to take a urine test to know that they are a "dope".  Seriously, it does violate our rights.  I thought I was innocent till proven guilty, not the other way around.  By the way I get test at my job.

Take the test and prove yourself innocent I have seen to many people hurt  or killed at work because some a$$hole decided that he had to get "high"!If people want to risk their life on it well that's fine with me but DON'T risk mine or others . You do NOT have that right.
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Re: Urine Test
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2008, 02:57:40 AM »
Take the test and prove yourself innocent I have seen to many people hurt  or killed at work because some a$$hole decided that he had to get "high"!If people want to risk their life on it well that's fine with me but DON'T risk mine or others . You do NOT have that right.

Some of the best Sheet metal workers I've worked with have been stoned 90% of the time, The most dangerous have not. The only person I KNOW of killed by a co-worker was killed by an overbearing A$$hole  supervisor. If you want to violate my constitutional right to privacy, then the rules of fair play say I can disregard your free speech and free press by telling you to shut up because you are a brain washed hypocrite.
Why do you think people sit back while the second amendment is eroded, it's because they are conditioned to except that "NANNY " knows best, "It's for safety", "It's for the children", it's the basics of brain washing, and it's bullshit. Shut up, wake up and learn, Professor Tom is going to explain the world. It starts small, Back in the days when personal honor meant something if a "peace activist"( this is strictly for illustration)  called a military Officer a "baby killer" that was an offense against his honor and he was EXPECTED to defend it like a virgins chastity, first he would seek an immediate apology failing that a challenge would be issued, and arrangements as to time place and weapons would be arranged by Representatives called "Seconds" at the meeting another opportunity for apology would be offered, Then , that having failed the 2 parties would face each other and exchange shots, the results judged to be the judgment of God, (It goes back to the Medieval concept of "Trial by Combat") But this could be inconvenient, as when the Vice President Alexander Hamilton was killed by the former Treasury secretary Aaron Burr, the Navy also found they were losing to many up and coming Junior officers to these "Affairs of Honor", so first it was publicly frowned upon then Eventually (after the public had been sufficiently conditioned) outlawed. Nowadays we have reporters media etc portraying anyone they don't like in the most vile terms and the victim has little or no recourse depending on circumstances. (For an example see the thread about Ms. Aguilar.)  Now we have done away with killing to defend honor, politicians see that there is no need to BE honorable, that one took a while to sink in, but it did. jumping ahead we have Hitler saying that "a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth" These words were spoken at a time when people still believed Decatur's toast, "My country, May she always be right, But my country right or wrong" . This was the generation that banded together to DESTROY 2 regimes that thought they knew what was best for everyone else, Imperial Japan did not decide one day to see how they could kill as many people as possible in Asia, The Nazi's truly believed that they were saving Germany from Soviet Russia, They just needed a little more land, a few more resources," Honestly, It's for the good of everyone." What no one admitted at the time was that our own society was under attack by home grown followers of Marx (Karl, not Groucho) and Lenin (V.L. not John) They found that they were ridiculed and ignored under their own banner so they infiltrated the democratic party and started pushing for more government control here, a little regulation there, all the time telling the gullible," It's for your own good" these socialists infiltrated education, ("get them young and they are ours forever" V.I.Lenin) First they got rid of corporal punishment, then they got rid of prayer, then they got rid of the pledge of allegiance, then they got rid of the grading system, then they got rid of personal responsibility, No one is to blame for their actions, they are all "Victims" of a syndrome, of economics, of their environment,.Each time, they whittled away a little more at the fabric of America, undermine the constitution a little here, set a precedent there,challenge common sense some where else with some convoluted word games. The point that you pro whiz testers have missed is that people have been working drunk or stoned since the beginning of time, the MEN who built America sent kids to get them PAILS of beer for lunch, America was Declared, designed, built and defended by a bunch of shit faced Colonials intoxicated intellectuals, drunk laborers, and sloshed soldiers. But when the technology to ,supposedly, test for such substances came along the socialist "Do gooders saw a chance to undermine more of the Peoples "Unalienable rights" 1) 4th amendment "The right of the PEOPLE to be SECURE in their persons......shall NOT be violated, unless someone in that industry MIGHT use (Oh horror) drugs (EEEEK !) 2)5th amendment  "No person shall be compelled to be a witness against himself, unless "it's for his own good, HONEST" 3) 4th amendment ..."no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause"... unless its "for the children".The problem is not drugs and alcohol, A good safe worker will work safely if he's stoned, drunk, or whatever, the problem is know it all irresponsible assholes who are a danger at the best of times. "Oh, I killed that car load of kids because of alcohol", NO you killed that car load of kids because you are an irresponsible ass. Don't blame drugs or alcohol for the people who do not use them responsibly. If your co worker wants to smoke a joint on the weekend THAT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, if he does bad work, or is irresponsible it does not matter if he is a teetotaler, get rid of him. And you have bought the bullshit they are using to take your guns, your country, and your way of life.
Be advised, We are coming to get your Drivers License, You have key board marks on your fingers, obviously you text while driving and are not fit for OUR roads, Also you WILL submit to a "Cell phone ear impression test" before your license will be returned,do you know how many people are killed and injured by drivers talking on cell phones. Neither do I but I bet it's more than killed by drunk or stoned co- workers

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Re: Urine Test
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2008, 06:02:37 AM »
Coherent enough, Tom, and right on!!
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