This guy needs to be fired...

[TAB]

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how do you forget a M4?

[tombogan03884]

 Had Lt in the Guard come up to me one day and ask if I got his Rifle, I had no idea what he was talking about and told him so.  He messed himself    He was the Btry. XO, He leaned his rifle against a tree while he ate lunch, then the CO called him  over to his jeep talk to him, then as they were talking we got orders to move ASAP and shoot when we arrived, in the confusion the rifle got left leaning on the tree. It was still there when he went to look for it. So it CAN happen in outfits that are not focused on personal weapons , like an artillery Battery, but a SWAT Team ?
Should fine him the cost anyway.

[MikeBjerum]

I could compare this to several things I do - hunting, fishing, competitive shooting, home repair, yard work, but I will take two past lives:

Mechanics and building moving ...

As a mechanic, at the end of each job you scan your work area and check your tool box to make sure there are no missing tools and all removed parts are accounted for;

In building moving, each of us had a truck, trailer or piece of machinery that we were responsible for.  Any one of us could look at our responsibility and know if something was missing, and because of uniformity it was possible to question one of the other guy's if something was amiss.

Why doesn't this S.W.A.T. team have a similar check system that says "we don't leave the scene until everyone has accounted for their own gear and the team gear they are responsible for?

[alfsauve]

In past life working on USAF airplanes, we were suppose to inventory our tools before we went to the flight line and after we came back.   Missplace tools could cause FOD  (foreign object damage) to planes. 

[Hazcat]

I agree with TAB, fire him.

Very least bust him to Uniform street patrol (on foot).

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[Fatman]

You don't fire him for this. This was a mistake. You learn a lesson from this, and it's now his job to account for all issued equipment at the close of a deployment for the foreseeable future.

[alfsauve]

So at what point does it become a offense worthy of dismisal?

a)When it's picked up by criminals and shows up at a crime scene?
b)When a neighborhood child finds it and fires it?
c)When neighborhood child finds it, fires it and kills someone?
d)After the city loses the civil lawsuit for $10M?

What, if any, criminal charges might a civilian face under the same circumstances?

I'm a firm believer that LEOs should be held to the same accountable standards of conduct as the rest of us.   Reckless Endangerment is a crime, albeit a misdemeanor, in many jurisdictions.

[Hazcat]

What would happen to someone (regular citizen) who legally owned a full auto and left it laying on some ones front lawn?  Why is a LEO any different?

[MikeBjerum]

There are things in all of our jobs, S.W.A.T. included, that are learning tools through change of duty like you point out.  However, there are also things, like leaving a weapon behind, that are learning tools by immediate dismissal and big nasty note in file.

What is the penalty for an A.D. at a shooting competition?  Immediate DQ!  Ask a competitor from Japan, I'm embarassed that I can't remember his name, that two consecutive years had an A.D. on the same stage.  No one was hurt, and the A.D. was only a matter of bullet hitting the ground in front of competitor during the draw.  It is a safety issue, and there is a penalty ... PERIOD!

[Fatman]

Y'all convinced me.