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MikeBjerum

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Re: Warning...
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2008, 10:12:40 AM »
The jury comment...

If you can't base your decision on the law and only the law, you have no place on a jury.

One of the reasons for a jury of your peers is, and always has been, to allow for what we now call the "reasonable man."  The letter of the law is affected by the person involved.  The best example of this would be the difference between the different levels of murder (one, two, etc.) and manslaughter.  The same act by one person in one setting could be murder one, the same person in a different setting murder two, a different person in the same setting manslaughter ...

It is this equity of community that attorneys, prosecutors and judges are looking at through the selection process.
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Re: Warning...
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2008, 10:18:21 AM »
Tom, you have my vote for President.

I don't write and call my Senators and Represntatives on every topic that matters to me but I should. I'm guilty of being comfortable and complacent. The only gun legislation I know of locally was an "assault weapons" ban. As an ordinary citizen I went downtown and said my piece like many others did. It didn't get passed because everyone except one person was against it and gave several good reasons based on facts, such as; these guns worked just like any other semi-autos, guns don't cause crime, criminals won't turn in their guns, gun control increases crime, etc. We need to be heard.
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Re: Warning...
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2008, 10:21:21 AM »
Right so if you guys had a jury full of anti guners, you would want them to use thier feelings about guns to make up thier mind not facts of the law?    ::)  
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Re: Warning...
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2008, 10:25:31 AM »
Right so if you guys had a jury full of anti guners, you would want them to use thier feelings about guns to make up thier mind not facts of the law?    ::)  

YOUR peers might do that, but MY peers wouldn't.  ;)
""It may be laid down as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every Citizen who enjoys the protection of a free Government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at a Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency." - George Washington. Letter to Alexander Hamilton, Friday, May 02, 1783

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Re: Warning...
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2008, 10:49:07 AM »
Anti: I think some of you gentleman would choose to apply a gun shaped remedy to any problem or potential problem that presented itself? Your reverance (sic) for firearms is maintained with an almost religious zeal. The mind boggles! it really does...

Me: Naw, we just apply a gun-shaped remedy to those extreme life threatening situations that call for it. All the less urgent problems we're willing to discuss.

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Re: Warning...
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Re: Warning...
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2008, 10:57:45 AM »
Right so if you guys had a jury full of anti guners, you would want them to use thier feelings about guns to make up thier mind not facts of the law?    ::)  

If my attorney allowed a jury like that, I would be looking for a new attorney and a retrial  >:(

A jury of my peers would consist of Christian gun owners (everyone of them); they would be hunters, CCW permit holders, NRA members, sport and competition shooters.  And, more than one of them would frisk themselves as they approached the courthouse steps  ;D
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Re: Warning...
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2008, 11:05:42 AM »
And, more than one of them would frisk themselves as they approached the courthouse steps  ;D

Wow!   I'm not the only one that does that!   And before leaving the car at the airport.   Whew.  I don't feel like I'm alone in this world. ::)

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Re: Warning...
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2008, 11:25:00 AM »
If my attorney allowed a jury like that, I would be looking for a new attorney and a retrial  >:(

A jury of my peers would consist of Christian gun owners (everyone of them); they would be hunters, CCW permit holders, NRA members, sport and competition shooters.  And, more than one of them would frisk themselves as they approached the courthouse steps  ;D

You would get a new lawyer, but not a new jurry... "jurry of your peers" means adult, non felons that live in the area of courts.

There is what 4 mil NRA members.  If all of them lived in texas, you would only have a 1 out of 5 chance they would be NRA members...   
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Re: Warning...
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2008, 11:43:28 AM »
The jury comment...

If you can't base your decision on the law and only the law, you have no place on a jury.

TAB,  You seem to be ignorant of the rules involved in jury duty. Do some research, your votes on a jury or grand jury are more important, and carry more weight than your vote for President, which gets filtered through the Electoral college.

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Re: Warning...
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2008, 12:35:51 PM »
TAB,  You seem to be ignorant of the rules involved in jury duty. Do some research, your votes on a jury or grand jury are more important, and carry more weight than your vote for President, which gets filtered through the Electoral college.

I've been on 3,   My point was if the law says something and you vote not guilty based on your feelings.   Then you have no place on a jury.
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