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What Crosses The Line? Your Personal Line.
« on: December 15, 2008, 06:58:35 PM »
Been reading MBs blog regards getting caught in NE winter freeze. Got me thinking (doesn't happen that often :) ).

We talk about SHTF types of situations but not every ugly event means fighting Zombies or Mad Max bands of bikers. What if your caught up in  some event, maybe a natural one (like MB), where you and your loved ones are caught off guard. How about you took the family on a Sunday drive to Aunt Martha. Then bang. You have NO FOOD or WATER or HEAT or extended supply of MEDICINE for your kid. What was supposed to be 3 hours turns out to be 3 days in brutal conditions. Are you willing to apply your gun skills to stay alive? You come across a farmhouse, a pharmacy, a food store. You ask for help and are refused. They are in the same boat. GO AWAY.  The owner/ proprietor makes it clear you won't get help there.

Do you take what is needed at the point of a gun? YOUR LIFE AND LOVED ONES depend on it. Do you kill to take it?
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Re: What Crosses The Line? Your Personal Line.
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2008, 07:33:33 PM »
No!
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Re: What Crosses The Line? Your Personal Line.
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2008, 07:46:31 PM »
Look at my signature.  This is definitely one of those situations we can discuss. Given your parameters, (all of us in the same boat) it seems I can be the facilitator to get the other three together and we can help each other through the situation.  I'll owe for my share, as I have apparently had a mental fart and removed the emergency supplies I always have in the back.
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Anti: I think some of you gentleman would choose to apply a gun shaped remedy to any problem or potential problem that presented itself? Your reverance (sic) for firearms is maintained with an almost religious zeal. The mind boggles! it really does...

Me: Naw, we just apply a gun-shaped remedy to those extreme life threatening situations that call for it. All the less urgent problems we're willing to discuss.

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Re: What Crosses The Line? Your Personal Line.
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2008, 08:31:30 PM »
My parameters  are that if you walk away or don't get what you need someone dies. Talking ain't gonna help. Matter of fact it may just push the owner/propreitor to shoot you. Do you kill him first and take what you need or do you watch your child die?
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Re: What Crosses The Line? Your Personal Line.
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2008, 08:33:43 PM »
Still no.  I'll figure it out w/o anyone getting hurt.
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Anti: I think some of you gentleman would choose to apply a gun shaped remedy to any problem or potential problem that presented itself? Your reverance (sic) for firearms is maintained with an almost religious zeal. The mind boggles! it really does...

Me: Naw, we just apply a gun-shaped remedy to those extreme life threatening situations that call for it. All the less urgent problems we're willing to discuss.

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Re: What Crosses The Line? Your Personal Line.
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Re: What Crosses The Line? Your Personal Line.
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2008, 08:42:51 PM »
Tough question. I can't imagine that if it was that bad and I was one on one with someone, I couldn't talk them into at least sharing a small portion for my child if nothing else. If it was medicine ( like diabetes medicine.. or something life threatening like that) and I was being flatly turned away......well.................lets just say.. when it comes to my child's life.. I will do what I have to do, in the least violent way possible.. and all circumstances are different, but I wouldn't ever give up on getting the "necessity's " I needed to save that life.
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Re: What Crosses The Line? Your Personal Line.
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2008, 08:44:23 PM »
I'll defend my family with my life but in your scenario, the hand your dealing is unplayable!  Aces & 8's...damned if ya do, damned if ya don't...

Still No!
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Re: What Crosses The Line? Your Personal Line.
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2008, 08:52:05 PM »
This is why everyone should carry portable bug-out bags if at all possible...
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Re: What Crosses The Line? Your Personal Line.
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2008, 09:25:45 PM »
Several references come to mind.

If you have a chance rent the Gregory Peck movie The Man In The Grey Flannel Suit. It is a post WWII movie (a great one) and examines a solider adjusting to civilian life. In one scene he tries to describe to his wife how he slit the throat of a young german solider because it was cold and he needed the germans coat. Read Marcus Luttrells book Lone Survivor. Read how he struggles to this day if he should have killed in cold blood a couple of goat herders to protect his unit from detection. Utimately Lt. Mike Murphy would die in the combat earning the Medal of Honor. Could it have all been avoided? A green beret unit on recon got busted by an 8 year old girl. Should they shoot her and kill her quickly before others come?

Yes these are war related illustrations. And I am talking of a purely civilian situation. But the moral dilemma is the same. And trust me civilians get caught up in such moral morasses also. Live or die, and you don't have much time to either think about it or discuss it over tea. My own personal thoughts are not clear. I don't suppose to have an answer. I believe I am more in line with M'ette. My wife or kids are NOT going to die. Period. Full Stop.

Let me relate one more tid bit. A study was done on survivors of airplane crashes/fires. What came out was that the most likely to survive had nothing to do with preparation or training. You know what the major factor was? Those who showed no interest in the survival of others. They climbed over seats. They pushed people aside. Pure animal instinct. Live or die. They related how they felt guilt. But they were alive and the others had burned to death.

Of all places it was at the last years NRA annual meeting. The big banquet on Saturday night. It is on the second floor of the Marriott. One escalator up. Everyone has a couple of drinks in them from the reception on the first floor. They make an announcement to head upstairs. SEVERAL THOUSAND people start moving. The up escalator I swear is the fastest I have ever been on. People start piling onto each other as they spill out from the top of the escalator into a very small hallway to the banquet. If you don't know it, PEOPLE CAN DIE IN THIS SITUATION (Hello Walmart the other week!). My first thought was "oh excuse me"..."sorry may I step thru". In a matter of 10 seconds I realized that this was a SHTF situation. I'm not very tall nor strong at my age. I thought "heck I might just die tonight". I changed gears right then. I just drove thru a half dozen people and have no shame about it. It wasn't gonna be me.   
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Re: What Crosses The Line? Your Personal Line.
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2008, 10:07:21 PM »
I agree that it's a tough one to give a definate answer. folks say NO I wouldn't but when people are desperate they will do things they would not normally do.  Saw it in N.O., I agree with Marshal-ette in the fact that 99.9% of the people will do what it takes to save their child/loved one etc.
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