What Crosses The Line? Your Personal Line.

[2HOW]

I will do what is needed short of personal violence to exist. Hopefully charity will prevail, or a realization that we need to work together. In a TEOTWAWKI situation skills as well as tangible stores will be valued.

[TSB]

It's questions like these that give people pause to open the door and offer assistance and who can blame them.  I grew up in an area of Michigan that had NO locked doors.  I never had a key to my home and never needed one!

The immorality of thinking that one mans right to survive trumps the rights of another is unconscionable!  If this "Mad Max" scenario ever becomes reality, it is not a society worth saving!

As Tom has already said, I choose NOT to live like an animal...

[tombogan03884]

1776, I don't think Frank was accusing you, he was comparing the mindsets. This is one of the reasons I stay in NH, after most of 48 years here there is nothing I might need that I can not get out of nature in fact DURING the Ice storm that sparked 1776's thinking I pointed out to some one at work that if I had to I could get a meal out of the swamp across the parking lot,heat, shelter, there are lots of evergreens around here, my ax would make it easier but I can get by with the Swiss Army knife I ALWAYS have, (it's why I bought that particular model) evergreens provide boughs for shelter, or shelter building in the longer term and are a reliable source of dry wood for heat, but with the magnesium chips I  stored in my bottle of "lifeboat" matches I can start a fire with pavement  . Water ? I live 200 yards from one of the largest lakes on the east coast, got another little one 100 yards in another direction for back up 

It's questions like these that give people pause to open the door and offer assistance and who can blame them.  I grew up in an area of Michigan that had NO locked doors.  I never had a key to my home and never needed one!

The immorality of thinking that one mans right to survive trumps the rights of another is unconscionable!  If this "Mad Max" scenario ever becomes reality, it is not a society worth saving!

As Tom has already said, I choose NOT to live like an animal...

The question is not the problem Timothy, the question gets us thinking about things BEFORE you find yourself saying, "OH OH, I'm screwed."  It also reminds us that many in society ALREADY think like animals when things are normal, remember the guy trampled in Wal Mart because a sale is more important than a human life ?

[Big Frank]

I still don't see any justifiable reason to kill someone because I want something they have. I'm pretty sure there are commandmants against that type of thing.

[1776 Rebel]

1776, I don't think Frank was accusing you, he was comparing the mindsets.

Tom I fully understand. That is why I posed the question. I do like to hear how folks go thru the decision tree of life. As I said I don't have answers on this one. I THINK I know what my moral framework is. I THINK I know how I might react. But just like the Donner party or those soccer players in the Andes I might have to end up eating my friends to stay alive. I pray that we here are smarter than the average bear and can either stay out of such situations or McGiver our way out of them before it comes to such a difficult choice. God help us if it does.

P.S. I wouldn't necessarily shoot to kill the owner/propriotor. Maybe a round or two at his feet might stir his "servants heart".

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[shooter32]

1776 thanks for posting this question. I like to see the mind sets and see some points on views I haven't.
Growing up loving the outdoors,hunting,fishing,traping,camping I have seen the need for survival skills. Tom has brought up some great points. Knowing how to make a shelter, starting a fire is a REAL life saver. As we all have said I hope we will never have to know what happens when our personal line is crossed. The more we know better we will be to make those calls if need be.

[1776 Rebel]

By the way I know how we would all like to take various courses at Gunsite, Thunder Ranch etc. I have watched as these schools themselves have evolved over the years to include different scenarios etc. But just as high up on my life list are a couple of schools (not exhaustive at all, you can google for more) that are survival skills based schools. I agree that knowledge is always better to have than not. You can check them out...

http://www.boss-inc.com/

http://www.trackerschool.com/

http://www.jackmtn.com/

http://www.mountainshepherd.com/index/

And finally a great website hosted by Doug Ritter on survival gear:

http://www.equipped.com/

[warhawke]

The first place you must prepare is between your ears. Your supplies might be lost or stolen but training goes with you. Stay smart and get trained to survive and you can stay alive after being dropped nekid in the Rocky Mountains, a stupid untrained person would die in a fully stocked Wal-mart.

[Big Frank]

You mind is your primary weapon. Use it. I was Red Cross certified in basic first aid when I was 11 years old and learned CPR later on. Believe it on not you'll be able to remember your survival training decades later. Especially after you've survived a few situations you didn't think you would live through. And you'll pick up some habits that stay with you.

I always carry a lighter and not just because I like starting fires. A fire is one of the most important things after having some drinking water. Water is easy to find around here so I don't always carry it with me. If I'm not near one of the great lakes, the other 11,000 lakes, or 13,000 miles of rivers, that's okay, I know how to make a solar still. I always have at least one knife on me and quite often two of them. I feel naked without one. Gutting animals is a lot easier when you don't have to use your teeth.    Be prepared. I was shown how to rip the head off a chicken and drink it's blood, and how to crack a snake like a whip to break it's neck. I know a bit about butchering and anatomy. Don't forget, people are made of meat too. I know some of the edible species of plants and I've eaten some mighty tasty insects. I'm going to survive on my own like I always do.