Selling guns on the net...

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The FFL will really not like you.  What it means for them is they have a gun in thier safe, that they must keep track of, but can not ever sell or give away.   We also had a private party go badly,  Guy was in a nasty devorce and his wife got a restraining order.  Which means you have 48 hours to trun over your gun, or sell it.   So he sold it to his brother, well his brother got a DMV kick back( unpaid parking ticket IIRC) well so we have a gun we can't release to the buyer, and we can't release it to the seller.( if he had not said why he was selling it we could have)  Its really fucked up here in many respects.

Yet oddly enough, we actually have very good self protection laws, and even let you have loaded and ready guns in a temp place of residence( hotel,camp site).  Even CCWs are prefectly legal just about every where other then state buildings, some state parks , schools and banks.  There is no large gathering restrictions or places that serve booze restrictions( non bars).  The only prob is its up to the sheriff on rather or not you get one.  In most countys, its really easy... others you can't get one.

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I have bought a couple guns through the mail and had shipped to FFL.  The key is like alf said, COMMUNICATE!  The understanding has always been once paid for and shipped the guns were my problem.  If I failed the NICS check the guns were still my responsibility in my FFL's care until I had them resold, but they would not go back to the original seller.

The FFL could not resale them as you never took posession.  Now the seller could release them to the FFL and all we be hunky dory.  

[Rastus]

I have bought a couple guns through the mail and had shipped to FFL.  The key is like alf said, COMMUNICATE!  The understanding has always been once paid for and shipped the guns were my problem.  If I failed the NICS check the guns were still my responsibility in my FFL's care until I had them resold, but they would not go back to the original seller.

Yup.  You transfer ownership to the buyer and possession to the FFL.  Two concepts...ownership...possession.  The buyer can own the gun without possession if he fails his NICS.  The FFL owner is bound to possess but has no ownership.  It's the buyer's dilema to work out....

That hurt my head.

[MikeBjerum]

Yup.  You transfer ownership to the buyer and possession to the FFL.  Two concepts...ownership...possession.  The buyer can own the gun without possession if he fails his NICS.  The FFL owner is bound to possess but has no ownership.  It's the buyer's dilema to work out....

That hurt my head.

I've never had to sign with my FFL's, but most have a form that purchasers must sign that transfers ownership to the FFL in a case like this.  It is a done to 1. allow them to have a gun in their possession beyond the normal transfer time frames, and 2. to allow them to resell it for you (something they can not do unless they have a pawn shop FFL).  It is done to protect them.

Besides, this is not an issue for the seller, because you put it in record with your FFL, he transferred it to the buyer's FFL, so it becomes a customer/FFL issue on the other end.  Your not the bad guy, your FFL isn't the bad guy, it is the buyer that is the bad guy to work things out with his FFL.

This is what you learn when you sit in the bar with your FFL, and he explains the reason he charges $25 for these transactions.