David Spade buys Police rifles

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which is exactly whats wrong with LEOs today.   They don't care what the public thinks anymore.

its not protect and serve... its we are better then you.


This can be extend to most of the goverment officals as well.   They forget who signs thier check.

it won't be long now until a day comes when that pay check bounces and then, if we are lucky the crimals in office will realize that you can't spend money you don't have.

My point is simply that unless and until you've "been there" you're little more than a Monday Morning Quarterback.  Opinions are, as my dad used to say, like a-holes......everybody has one.

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My point is simply that unless and until you've "been there" you're little more than a Monday Morning Quarterback.  Opinions are, as my dad used to say, like a-holes......everybody has one.

Thats exactly what every one says... If you have not been there you don't know.   Does not matter what it is... LEOs, Army, iron workers, maids.... you name it.    Well guess what, Since I sign your check, I do have a a say.  That was THE founding principle of this country.

In my case I have been there...I have done that. 

While we are giving them ARs... why not mount a m2 in a turret on the crown vics... after all they might need it...

[Big Frank]

Thats exactly what every one says... If you have not been there you don't know.   Does not matter what it is... LEOs, Army, iron workers, maids.... you name it.    Well guess what, Since I sign your check, I do have a a say.  That was THE founding principle of this country.

In my case I have been there...I have done that. 

While we are giving them ARs... why not mount a m2 in a turret on the crown vics... after all they might need it...

Sure, if that's what the BGs have on their cars.

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The bad guys don't have ARs.   

Some SKS and a few AKs, yes, but not many.  Most bad guys have hand guns, normally very small ones at that.

[tombogan03884]

Thats exactly what every one says... If you have not been there you don't know.   Does not matter what it is... LEOs, Army, iron workers, maids.... you name it.    Well guess what, Since I sign your check, I do have a a say.  That was THE founding principle of this country.

In my case I have been there...I have done that. 

While we are giving them ARs... why not mount a m2 in a turret on the crown vics... after all they might need it...

If you weren't a small minded cheap skate you'd go with this

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[PegLeg45]

My point is simply that unless and until you've "been there" you're little more than a Monday Morning Quarterback.  Opinions are, as my dad used to say, like a-holes......everybody has one.

Exactly.

Thats exactly what every one says... If you have not been there you don't know.   Does not matter what it is... LEOs, Army, iron workers, maids.... you name it.    Well guess what, Since I sign your check, I do have a a say.  That was THE founding principle of this country.

In my case I have been there...I have done that. 

While we are giving them ARs... why not mount a m2 in a turret on the crown vics... after all they might need it...

You are correct also, but until you are in a SHTF situation, you don't really know what the check covers.

[cookie62]

The bad guys don't have ARs.  

Some SKS and a few AKs, yes, but not many.  Most bad guys have hand guns, normally very small ones at that.

But some do, Thats like saying cops aren't shot at that much so they don't need body armor.

[nupe]

As much as I hate to say it, these days I'm starting to support manditory training.  Not just for LEOs and Military, but for civilans too.  IMO if they buy the ar's they should have maybe 15-20hrs of initial training then 5hrs a week for the following weeks.  As for civilians I would like it if there was a maniditory course that was taken before they could perchase a handgun or get a ccw permit.  Now don't get me wrong I really don't want to put in place a bunch of stupid laws that will hinders people's ability to obtain legal firearms, but I don't want to be able to trust the people around me with a firearm especially if those people are there to protect me and mine.  I would not support the idea if I didn't think that it was necissary since I was taught how to shoot safely and effectively when I was about 4-5 years old, but the matter of the fact is that there are quite a few people that want to carry a gun just because they can.  They don't know how to properly use the gun and they don't make the effort to learn on their own.  Like I said that's just MO, and beings that I'm one of the youngest members I know that I don't know as much on this subject as most.

[PegLeg45]

As much as I hate to say it, these days I'm starting to support manditory training.  Not just for LEOs and Military, but for civilans too.  IMO if they buy the ar's they should have maybe 15-20hrs of initial training then 5hrs a week for the following weeks.  As for civilians I would like it if there was a maniditory course that was taken before they could perchase a handgun or get a ccw permit.  Now don't get me wrong I really don't want to put in place a bunch of stupid laws that will hinders people's ability to obtain legal firearms, but I don't want to be able to trust the people around me with a firearm especially if those people are there to protect me and mine.  I would not support the idea if I didn't think that it was necissary since I was taught how to shoot safely and effectively when I was about 4-5 years old, but the matter of the fact is that there are quite a few people that want to carry a gun just because they can.  They don't know how to properly use the gun and they don't make the effort to learn on their own.  Like I said that's just MO, and beings that I'm one of the youngest members I know that I don't know as much on this subject as most.

The biggest problem with 'mandatory' training beyond what is given to LEO's goes right back to the heart of this thread, MONEY.
Many agencies can't afford the weaponry, let alone extra, much needed training. I was at the range a few weeks back and some state officers were going trough some practice runs for their up-coming qualifications. My friend (range owner) is a state officer and firearms instructor and he was running the drills. They were having to use their own privately bought ammo so round count was critical for them. Some had no worries, but a couple were borderline and could have used a few hundred more rounds to boost their confidence for the qualification shoot.
Many LEO's are not 'gun folks' and only use them for 'the job'. Many have no interest in training beyond what they get on the job. My B-I-L is one of these types. He only shoots at the pre-qualification warm-up and to qualify. This is one area where mandatory training would be beneficial but cost prohibitive for most departments.
Private citizens are a whole different tater patch. It is very true that many who carry do so only because they can. However, requiring mandatory training as a condition of ownership or even to CCW would serve to open up a whole new can of bureaucratic red tape that we don't need.
Do LEO's need more training? Yes.
Do many citizens need more training? Yes.
Is making it mandatory the way to go? I say no (JMHO)..but I've been wrong before. 

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a big part of the prob when it comes to  money, miss mangement of the funds.

In these parts that means too high of pay.  The local news paper just published an artical about Who was the highest paid Sac City empolyees... out of the top 15, 13 were firemen and PD.  All in the top 10, brought in over 100k a year in OT.  OT, O f....k T!!!.

There normal salerys were in the 80k range, which is way high compared( the Cheifs did not make the list, these were beat cops) to the average house hold income of the county at just under 50k( CA state is in the low 40s) 

If you were to cut thier pay down to levels simlar to other LEAs in the area( about 60k)  then they would have plenty of funds to hire more PD or train them better.


edit, and yes for 200k a year I would be a cop... infact where do I sign up?  Its a safer occupation then I have now.