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Re: Trivia
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2008, 07:42:13 PM »
Who developed the first .30-30 cartridge?

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Re: Trivia
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2008, 08:18:14 PM »
Who developed the first .30-30 cartridge?

That's a trick question. I had to look it up to find the right answer.  :o
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Re: Trivia
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2008, 09:20:19 PM »
That's a trick question. I had to look it up to find the right answer.  :o

It's no trick, just a question!

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Re: Trivia
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2008, 09:28:43 PM »
Winchester invented the .30 WCF but their competition decided to call it .30-30 instead of .30 Winchester Center Fire. The correct answer would be that Marlin invented the .30-30 name for the .30 WCF cartridge that was invented by Wichester. Winchester invented the cartridge but not the name. Marlin invented the name but not the cartridge. So if you say Winchester you're wrong and if you say Marlin you're wrong. That's why I think it's a trick question.
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Re: Trivia
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2008, 09:40:16 PM »
Winchester invented the .30 WCF but their competition decided to call it .30-30 instead of .30 Winchester Center Fire. The correct answer would be that Marlin invented the .30-30 name for the .30 WCF cartridge that was invented by Wichester. Winchester invented the cartridge but not the name. Marlin invented the name but not the cartridge. So if you say Winchester you're wrong and if you say Marlin you're wrong. That's why I think it's a trick question.

No trick Frank!  True it was developed for the Marlin Co. for a knockoff of a Winchester design but who developed the cartridge for Marlin?

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Re: Trivia
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Re: Trivia
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2008, 11:07:51 PM »
From what I read they didn't develop anything, they just chambered their rifles in .30 WCF but called it .30-30 so it didn't have Winchester in the name. Like when the .357 SIG came out and somebody called it .357 Auto because they didn't want the SIG name on a Ruger or whatever pistol it was. I'll search again later and see what I can find. UMC made the ammo for Marlin since they didn't make their own. My 7th edition Cartridges of the World just says Winchester designed it. End of story.
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Re: Trivia
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2008, 11:19:52 PM »
Here's some trivia. The US Govt. has adopted 3 .30 caliber rounds over the years, 30/40 Krag .30-06 and 7.62X51. Everytime they have used a different method of designation. .30/40 Krag, was designed as the last black powder cartridge, .30 caliber 40 grains of powder for the US Krag Jorgenson rifle. .30 -06 (actually there was a short lived .30-03 as well) .30 caliber adopted in 1906. Then of course the 7.62X51 is the metric measurement. According to my Sierra reloading manual, (I checked) all use the same diameter bullet, .308.

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Re: Trivia
« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2008, 11:29:27 PM »
Here's some trivia. The US Govt. has adopted 3 .30 caliber rounds over the years, 30/40 Krag .30-06 and 7.62X51. Everytime they have used a different method of designation. .30/40 Krag, was designed as the last black powder cartridge, .30 caliber 40 grains of powder for the US Krag Jorgenson rifle. .30 -06 (actually there was a short lived .30-03 as well) .30 caliber adopted in 1906. Then of course the 7.62X51 is the metric measurement. According to my Sierra reloading manual, (I checked) all use the same diameter bullet, .308.

If it wasn't hard enough to keep track of they had two .30s at the same time when the Carbine came out. In typical military fashion they wanted to call the first type of ammo for each rifle and carbine Caliber .30, M1 and the next type of ammo Caliber .30 M2. The carbine used a fourth type of designation since it didn't add any other numbers to the .30.
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Re: Trivia
« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2008, 11:39:13 PM »
Good point, I checked, it also uses a .308 diameter bullet. ( in looking up the carbine I noticed that 7.62x39 and .303 British both use a .311 dia. bullet)

What was the first sub .30 caliber cartridge rifle issued to US combat forces ?

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Re: Trivia
« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2008, 11:42:49 PM »
Good point, I checked, it also uses a .308 diameter bullet. ( in looking up the carbine I noticed that 7.62x39 and .303 British both use a .311 dia. bullet)

What was the first sub .30 caliber cartridge rifle issued to US combat forces ?

I was going to say .22 LR but that was for practice not combat. The first thing that came to mind was 5.56x45mm then I remembered the 6mm Lee Navy.
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