glock + tactical light= failure.

[tombogan03884]

The recoil of the awesome 10MM was too much for America's Finest so they down-loaded it and called the WEAK version "the FBI load". Since the case capacity wasn't be fully utilized they SHORTened it. That's how the .40 Short&Weak came to be.

I'll stick with my .45 O&R thank you.

[Fatman]

OK, I'm ready for the s-storm to follow this. PC to the rescue! The reason for the .40 I was told - most female fed recruits/agents couldn't handle the .45 or the 10mm. So stick everyone with the .40 . I'm surprised they didn't go down to the 9mm, guess there are limits to pissing people off. PA Troopers 'upgraded' to the .40 from the .45 also...

Kinda like male PO candidates here must go over an 8 ft wall unassisted and the females get a 6 foot wall and a step if they need it.  Not to mention the 2 1/4 mile run requirements - a 18-20 something female candidate gets 30 seconds more than I at 47 must run it. WTF? IRL I would be expected to get where I need to be - when I needed to be - partner-less because of PC???

[Big Frank]

The FBI started out with a .45. It kicked a little bit so they switched to a 9mm. Agents got shot and killed by people they already shot with their 9mm, so they switched to 10mm. It kicked worse than the .45 so they down-loaded it. Then they switched to the .40 that is nearly equal in performacne to the the .45 they started out with, but supposedly has a much sharper recoil impulse. Then special units switched to the .45. WTF?    Why didn't they just stay with the .45 that they already had instead of going the other route, .45, 9mm, 10mm, 10mm "lite", .40, and back to .45?   

[twyacht]

Alright the .40 bashing is making me sad .    I like my .40's. My first was a S&W model 411. 

Here's a 2002 AG article re: 9mm, 40, and the 45ACP. With a funny title.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_158_26/ai_86704766


The .40 S&W cartridge has become a huge success in the United States because, while possessing nearly identical accuracy[10], drift and drop, it adds 50% more energy over the 9 mm Parabellum with a more manageable recoil than the 10 mm Auto cartridge. In the rest of the world it has become a popular combat pistol shooting sports cartridge.[citation needed] With good JHP bullets in the more energetic loads (> 500 ft·lbf) the .40 S&W can create hydrostatic shock in human-sized living targets.[11]
.40 S&W Load Tables

The energy of the .40 S&W exceeds all standard-pressure and +P 9x19mm Parabellum loadings and many standard-pressure .45 ACP rounds, generating between 450 and 600 foot-pounds (550 J and 800 J) of energy, depending on bullet weight, with mid to high 500 foot-pounds typical. Both the .40 S&W and the 9 mm Parabellum operate at a 35,000 psi (240 MPa) SAAMI maximum, compared to a 21,000 psi (150 MPa) maximum for .45 ACP[12]. Some small ammunition manufacturers offer .40 S&W ammunition consistently developing energy well above 500 ft·lbf (700 J) in all their .40 S&W ammo as off-the-shelf items.[13]. While SAAMI has not established a +P standard for the .40 S&W, there are companies marketing ammunition claimed to be +P, but they do not provide pressure data to support +P labeling.

Good shot placement is more important than caliber.. But I enjoy my FN9 also, BUT, IMHO there is only one .45!

[Hazcat]

Personally the 40s I have shot recoil worse than a 45.  40s seem to be very 'snappy' to me.

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[Fatman]

Alright the .40 bashing is making me sad .    I like my .40's. My first was a S&W model 411. 

Sorry if I seemed to be giving no love to the .40 .  I've no problem with any particular weapon (unless it shoots backwards), but like most folks, I have my preferences. I'm really giving no love to the PC attitudes that frankly, may get people unnecessarily killed. As I've found out, the best performer is the platform you are comfortable with.

And after looking at the info on the tac light and the glock, I'm even more in line with letting LE qualify with what they are comfortable with.

[TAB]

You are absolutely right, TAB. They are the AKs of pistols: they are not the most accurate, pretty, or well made. But they are damn effective.

I really enjoyed one episode on one of MB's competitor's shows where Dave Sevigny (sp?) beat all the 1911 clone and S&W boys at S&W's Winter shoot last year. I really had to chuckle seeing him kick their asses with his ugly, plastic pistol.....

I'm pretty sure we could give dave just about any hand gun and he would still kick ass.  His glock are about as stock as a nascar...


Sarcism does not always make it thru the net...

[fullautovalmet76]

I'm pretty sure we could give dave just about any hand gun and he would still kick ass.  His glock are about as stock as a nascar...
Sarcism does not always make it thru the net...

About Dave: I agree with you about his skill....I think he shoots production in USPSA and I think they are very limited in what they can do in that division; disclaimer- I have never shot USPSA so I could be wrong about what is allowed in Production.

I understood where you were coming from: I just like them- I must because one of them saved my life about three years ago.....

In the end, I think it's all about preference no matter what one decides to shoot.

[TAB]

Production = you can do what ever you want to the inside of the gun as long as the out side stays the same other then sites.  At the very least i know he as a trigger job and diffrent springs.

[wilddog]

I personally will not carry a 9mm for personal use. I have to use it when I am doing work and have seen it fail at stopping my aggressor. I use a .40cal Taurus and love it and the round. I have owned 40 Rugers and loved them too. I just can't bring myself to carry a 9mm. I do however want a subcompact 1911. I do love my 45's. =)