Rights and Responsibilities

[deamonpi]

Change it to" proven we deserve the rights passed down to us" and I will go along with it.
As for you guy's saying he's a troll I'll make this comment. One of the few things I remember about math class is that to prove or disprove an equation you do it backwards, and if you follow his logic in reverse it works, If we DO NOT fight for our civil rights, DO NOT responsibly exercise them, DO NOT educate, then we ARE NOT worthy of the rights passed down to us. Where his thought fails is in the assumption that "Rights" CAN be GIVEN, rights are OURS, We are endowed with these rights by our CREATOR, not by man, or court or legislature. The only thing MEN can do with a "Right" is exercise it, or allow it to be taken away.
 THE 2nd Amendment, is the ULTIMATE in "use it or lose it" because if we lose that we lose the means to enforce any other section of the Constitution.

in proofs you should look further than just math class, as that has a very finite spectrum, you should, in this case use the premises of logic and philosophy.  there are many ways to disprove, or prove.  A conditional, assume a premise and see where it goes, A reductio ad absurdum, assume a premise and find a conflict, or just attack the premises of the argument at the beginning, the ones most people just assume to be right, the initial ones.

And worthy has nothing to do with anything.  The only thing that matters is ABLE.

then we ARE NOT worthy of the rights passed down to us.

re-write to then we are not able to keep the rights passed down to us.

[tombogan03884]

 "re-write to then we are not able to keep the rights passed down to us."

I quit school in the 9th grade, enough with the Latin.

As to the quote above, No because if we don't defend our rights in the face of an obvious threat then we do not deserve them . Under those conditions, to not defend and exercise the rights our fore Fathers DIED for, is to dishonor them and disgrace ourselves. As Lenin said," The society that allows itself to be disarmed DESERVES the slavery that will soon follow". One of the few things I agree with him about.
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[Thanos]

I quit school in the 9th grade, enough with the Latin.

I quit in 10th, I only know two things:

"Sic semper tyrannis"- Thus, Ever to Tyrants

"Audaces fortuna juvat"- Fortune Favors the Bold

[mosbear]

How many times do I have to sound a "troll alert" !!!!!

DNFTT

[deamonpi]

"re-write to then we are not able to keep the rights passed down to us."

I quit school in the 9th grade, enough with the Latin.

As to the quote above, No because if we don't defend our rights in the face of an obvious threat then we do not deserve them . Under those conditions, to not defend and exercise the rights our fore Fathers DIED for, is to dishonor them and disgrace ourselves. As Lenin said," The society that allows itself to be disarmed DESERVES the slavery that will soon follow". One of the few things I agree with him about.
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hey, you can ignore the Latin, but the method is the same, I just gave the name in case you wanted to look it up.

you are right about the need to defend our rights.  My point is do something, do a lot of somethings, and get lots of people to do a lot of somethings, and leave the sniveling, and whining out of it.  Feelings don't amount to a pile of beans, it doesn't matter whether something is deserved or worthy.

Mosbear I have no idea what DNFTT means.

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[runstowin]

Mosbear I have no idea what DNFTT means.

In other words, you are clueless.

[Thanos]

How many times do I have to sound a "troll alert" !!!!!

DNFTT

Four, exactly four times is the proper number that you have to sound the Troll alert, and you have to do it while cooking bacon naked.

[tombogan03884]

I quit in 10th, I only know two things:

"Sic semper tyrannis"- Thus, Ever to Tyrants

"Audaces fortuna juvat"- Fortune Favors the Bold

I also know
Semper Fidelis = Always Faithful
The one that translates as "Who will watch the watchers" I recognize when I see it but can never remember it for a quote, and someone local has the license plate "carpe PM" since I have received "per diem" before  (and work 2nd shift) I get the joke.
To the serious part of your post, I've been going on about this since I joined the forum. Like Tom Gresham says "No shrug"  That's why I have written letters to the Editor, to the radio station , to my (dem    ) congress critter and senator, to EVERY ONE on the Judiciary committee  (Oppose Eric Holder ). But we NEED to do more, a flood of words is a start , but  the elitists who push this stuff don't give a crap what we think. We need to ATTACK, Heller did in DC and continues to do so, NRA even if their willingness to compromise IS one source of our problems, continues to lobby, and keep the issue in public. But we need more, we need to attack anti gun items in the MSM for what they are, slanderous hate speech aimed at Govt. verified law abiding citizens, We need to attack the ACLU for failing to defend ALL civil liberties, they are guilty of blatant discrimination. If similar comments were made about Gays, Blacks or any other minority people would be losing their jobs, ask Don Imus.
We need to use the tactics that worked for the Gays, lawsuits against everyone that doesn't approve of us, person confrontation, (ie I'm obeying the law, I'm only exercising a GOD GIVEN Constitutionally guaranteed CIVIL RIGHT, Why do you object to that, are you UNAMERICAN, are you against the Constitution who's 1st Amendment gives you the right to make a fool of yourself ? ) We need to rub the publics nose in the fact that WE ARE HERE, AND WE ARE GONNA STAY HERE, until they are so sick of hearing it that they give us anything we want just to go to the range and leave them alone. 
We, in short, need to become finger nails on the blackboard.

[Ocin]

How many times do I have to sound a "troll alert" !!!!!

DNFTT

With all due respect, Mosbear, don't. In my humble opinion this subject is way too important to let it pass by.

Here in The Netherlands We The People have given rights: the right to smoke cannabis, the right on free sex, the right on self defense, the right on keeping and bearing arms. Too bad though that the Powers That Be feel that We The People cannot be trusted with guns so they decided not to give us the right to keep and bear arms...

[deamonpi]

Mosbear I have no idea what DNFTT means.

In other words, you are clueless.

yeah , that's right.  I am new to this stuff, and sometimes need things spelled out,  There are only so many Acronyms you can guess.  And I gotta tell ya, these things get thrown out like there's no tomorrow.  I can guess most of them just due to its context, but I'm stumped on this one.