Author Topic: Gun Quality? (Read 8282 times)

Ping · « **Reply #20 on:** March 25, 2009, 07:13:59 PM »

twyacht, I have been thinking just that and my wife wants to head to Sand Springs, OK. Gunsmithing is a nice trade that many of the elder generation are giving up on and opening doors. There are not very many gunsmiths in my neck of the woods and saw where one was needed in Chattanooga, Tennessee. I would love to work with someone who is been in the career for a while other than taking a class online with the University of Phoenix or some other certificate writer.

Ok, that was wrong, the University of Phoenix is a accredited college. Just don't see how you can become a gunsmith without hands on training and a person present with experience to teach you the ropes.

Hazcat · « **Reply #21 on:** March 25, 2009, 07:20:35 PM »

Looks like ya got AZ, NC, CO or PA to go to for actual hands on training.

http://www.gunsmithing.org/

http://www.gunnersden.com/index.htm.gunsmith-schools.html

Ping · « **Reply #22 on:** March 25, 2009, 07:28:25 PM »

Cool. Thanks for the info Hazcat.

Hazcat · « **Reply #23 on:** March 25, 2009, 07:33:39 PM »

Quote from: Ping on March 25, 2009, 07:28:25 PM

Cool. Thanks for the info Hazcat.

We but live to serve........

Badgersmilk · « **Reply #24 on:** March 25, 2009, 07:50:12 PM »

Tab, nice avatar! I think I just ruined my keyboard...

I've had a Mossberg 500 thats got thousands of rounds through it. I'm 38 and I've owned it since I was 15. Never a problem! 28", modified choke. My dad and others have watched me put slugs through 1" bulls eyes at 100 yards with it. GREAT GUN! Cant speak for what the new ones are like.

The quality of the Beretta is second to absolutely none IMO! Chrome lined barrel for one thing!

I love the 870 just because its so light I can carry it around all day in one hand like its a feather. Plus whoever designed that thing is EXACTLY the same size as me! No other gun I own fits me so well. Perfect fit!

I'd say their all great if you shop carefully (extra carefull with the Rem.). I did end up replacing the extractor in my 870 with a machined one. (police & marine 870's come with machined extractors, not the cast junk thats in the regular guns)

My opinion is which one's best for you is mostly a matter of personal preferance.

BUY'EM ALL!

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fightingquaker13 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 25, 2009, 07:58:16 PM »

Quote from: Ping on March 25, 2009, 07:13:59 PM

twyacht, I have been thinking just that and my wife wants to head to Sand Springs, OK. Gunsmithing is a nice trade that many of the elder generation are giving up on and opening doors. There are not very many gunsmiths in my neck of the woods and saw where one was needed in Chattanooga, Tennessee. I would love to work with someone who is been in the career for a while other than taking a class online with the University of Phoenix or some other certificate writer.
Ok, that was wrong, the University of Phoenix is a accredited college. Just don't see how you can become a gunsmith without hands on training and a person present with experience to teach you the ropes.

Probably sounding like an elitist professor snob now, so fair warning. As an instructor at the University Texas (a fancy term for a doctoral candidate who is doing a full profesors work for the princely sum of $1234 a month+tuition) I taught a real intro to American and Texas politics class. Granted, they averaged about 240 students, and for the most part I had to respond to questions by saying, "yeah you in the red hat, third row left". But still, they could ask questions, they had a prof giving lectures, I put toghether my own packet of articles from Locke, Mill Aristotle the Federalist and Anti-federalist papers etc, and I held office hours, and was available at the Crown and Anchor Pub for for 1 hour every Wednesday for less formal meetings. I also reguired 3 5-7 page papers, withthe option of doing a rewrite if you didn't like your grade", a whole lot of reading multiplied by three classes of 250, but thats what the kid's parents were paying for. If you do job, do it right. At the same time, for extra cash, I taught an online "equivelent" of the same class. This excersize in bullshit consisted of the students reading a textbook and a work book. They then had to fill out short essay style worksheets and email them to me to grade. At the end of the semester they had to show up somewhere (usualy a highschool) to take a proctored final, which I didn't write so all my online suggestions were just teaching the test. The credits were the same. Who do you think actually learned something?
Online "colleges" are diploma mills. Quite frankly the only difference between them and the ones that advertise in the back of rollingstone is the fact that you actually have to read some books and take some tests. That is very different than getting an education. If what you want is a credential, and there's nothing wrong with that, go for the "university" of Phoenix option. If you actually want to learn a trade, the apprenticeship route sounds like a much better option. You might need to do both depending on the job market. All I know is that personally I'd rather trust my gun to a guy who learned by doing, than a guy learned by reading and paid an online school for a certificate. Just my .02. If I sound pissy, well, I'm proud of being a good teache,r and it annoys me that people think I can be replaced with a text book and a worksheet, just as I'm sure it annoys Tom to think he can be replaced by a button pusher. You get what you pay for folks, and that will never change.
fightingquaker13

twyacht · « **Reply #26 on:** March 25, 2009, 08:58:59 PM »

I'd rather learn from a person with scars on their hands, calloused palms, and mileage on their face. The ones that can take a 1911 or M1,Winchester, Ruger, S&W, (or pick one), down to a table full of "pieces" and without even a blink put it together, improve the pieces that may need some TLC, because it doesn't "feel" right, with a 62 year old shop equip. and hand tools, make it "sing" to a playing card at 250 yds. (rifle), and never let you down.....

That's how it used to be. That's how my Grandfather did it, I was too young and stupid to not pick his brain for all he knew..

If more of that mindset and exp. was in today's industries, we would be better a better country, not buying Toyota's. (not that I'm bashing Toyota,,, my Tacoma was an awesome truck.)

Timothy · « **Reply #27 on:** March 25, 2009, 09:13:15 PM »

Quote from: fightingquaker13 on March 25, 2009, 07:58:16 PM

Online "colleges" are diploma mills. Quite frankly the only difference between them and the ones that advertise in the back of rollingstone is the fact that you actually have to read some books and take some tests.
fightingquaker13

It's estimated that nearly half of all masters degrees and PhD's in the United States are fake....mail order diplomas, not worth the paper their printed on....

fightingquaker13 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 25, 2009, 09:24:15 PM »

Quote from: Timothy on March 25, 2009, 09:13:15 PM

It's estimated that nearly half of all masters degrees and PhD's in the United States are fake....mail order diplomas, not worth the paper their printed on....

And here I wasted six years. But hey! I got a cool hat! No free CLIP though.

fightingquaker13

tombogan03884 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 25, 2009, 10:27:51 PM »

Quote from: fightingquaker13 on March 25, 2009, 07:58:16 PM

Probably sounding like an elitist professor snob now, so fair warning. As an instructor at the University Texas (a fancy term for a doctoral candidate who is doing a full profesors work for the princely sum of $1234 a month+tuition) I taught a real intro to American and Texas politics class. Granted, they averaged about 240 students, and for the most part I had to respond to questions by saying, "yeah you in the red hat, third row left". But still, they could ask questions, they had a prof giving lectures, I put toghether my own packet of articles from Locke, Mill Aristotle the Federalist and Anti-federalist papers etc, and I held office hours, and was available at the Crown and Anchor Pub for for 1 hour every Wednesday for less formal meetings. I also reguired 3 5-7 page papers, withthe option of doing a rewrite if you didn't like your grade", a whole lot of reading multiplied by three classes of 250, but thats what the kid's parents were paying for. If you do job, do it right. At the same time, for extra cash, I taught an online "equivelent" of the same class. This excersize in bullshit consisted of the students reading a textbook and a work book. They then had to fill out short essay style worksheets and email them to me to grade. At the end of the semester they had to show up somewhere (usualy a highschool) to take a proctored final, which I didn't write so all my online suggestions were just teaching the test. The credits were the same. Who do you think actually learned something?
Online "colleges" are diploma mills. Quite frankly the only difference between them and the ones that advertise in the back of rollingstone is the fact that you actually have to read some books and take some tests. That is very different than getting an education. If what you want is a credential, and there's nothing wrong with that, go for the "university" of Phoenix option. If you actually want to learn a trade, the apprenticeship route sounds like a much better option. You might need to do both depending on the job market. All I know is that personally I'd rather trust my gun to a guy who learned by doing, than a guy learned by reading and paid an online school for a certificate. Just my .02. If I sound pissy, well, I'm proud of being a good teache,r and it annoys me that people think I can be replaced with a text book and a worksheet, just as I'm sure it annoys Tom to think he can be replaced by a button pusher. You get what you pay for folks, and that will never change.
fightingquaker13

Makes sense to me.

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