Disarming citizens during traffic stops

[tombogan03884]

 The 10 most dangerous jobs
Occupation   Fatalities per 100,000    
Timber cutters   117.8   
Fishers   71.1   
Pilots and navigators   69.8   
Structural metal workers   58.2   
Drivers-sales workers   37.9   
Roofers   37   
Electrical power installers   32.5   
Farm occupations   28   
Construction laborers   27.7   
Truck drivers   25   
Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics; survey of occupations with minimum 30 fatalities and 45,000 workers in 2002
Full article http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P63405.asp

1. Logger
2. Pilot
3. Fisher
4. Iron/Steel Worker
5. Garbage Collector
6. Farmer/Rancher
7. Roofer
8. Electrical Power Installer/Repairer
9. Sales, Delivery, and Other Truck Driver
10. Taxi Driver/Chauffeur

Full article http://money.howstuffworks.com/10-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america.htm

[Timothy]

I think that commercial fisherman top this latest list, nearly two to one over the next group!  circa 2007....

Fisherman 141 deaths per 100K
Logging     88 deaths per 100K...

either way, tough men and women in those occupations.....God Bless 'em....

[PegLeg45]

And that's just fatalities.......don't forget maiming and injuries..... dangerous jobs indeed.

[Sgt Z Squad]

"some one that has spent thier entire life as a weapons instructor for the miltary can not carry nation wide.  You really don't see a prob with that?"

I am all for reciprocal recognition of state permits through out the U.S.

[TAB]

I am all for reciprocal recognition of state permits through out the U.S.

That not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about how they have createed a federal class system.  We all know on strick US cons ground that law would be struck down, but no one is going to step up to challenge it and no judge wants to be known as some one that "takes away a cops protection".


As to the top 10 deadly jobs, it changes on how exactly the study is done.

OSHA does it per 100k man hours.  the list is mainly construction and transprotation.

OSHA also lists the number of assults per 100k man hours.  LEOs are ranked 8, CO officers are ranked 7.   Retails personal and medical  took up the top 5( diffrent jobs) 6 was a shock, RE agents.

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[ismram]

That not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about how they have createed a federal class system.  We all know on strick US cons ground that law would be struck down, but no one is going to step up to challenge it and no judge wants to be known as some one that "takes away a cops protection".


As to the top 10 deadly jobs, it changes on how exactly the study is done.

OSHA does it per 100k man hours.  the list is mainly construction and transprotation.

OSHA also lists the number of assults per 100k man hours.  LEOs are ranked 8, CO officers are ranked 7.   Retails personal and medical  took up the top 5( diffrent jobs) 6 was a shock, RE agents.

Tab, Why would you complain about a law that would allow someone or ANYONE the right to protect themselfs? It sounds like just because the law doesn't effect you you are against it. Sure I'd like too see a law passed that would make all states reciprocal to each other, but I'm not going to bitch because there is more good guys with guns out there.

[TAB]

It creates a class system.  Your either a LEO or your not.   it also complete destroys the rights of states to remain seprate and have thier own laws.  You realize that you could be a LEO in one state, yet be DQ from being one in another, let alone getting a CCW.  If all states had the same standard for issuing ccws it would not be a prob.  Since that is not the case, there is one.

Example utah will give yuo a CCW even if you have a minor drug conviction,  many states that will DQ you.   Recently wy made a stink about that( and rightfully so)  so they droped UTs permits recipt... then put it back, then took it away again... now its being looked at, so who knows where it will end up.

[Pathfinder]

I don't think we should underscore the dangers of being in law enforcement. Sure they don't die at the rate of some other jobs but when they die someone else is usually doing the killing. I worked in construction and saw people die. In every instance I saw, it was there own fault. Not being tied off or being in a position they should not have been in. WhatI am saying is that some LEO's need to think a little more use there heads and evaluate there situation. When a person tells them that they are carrying, I would think that the chances are very low that the person is planning on doing the officer harm. If the officer can't do that, maybe he picked the wrong line of work.

Amen.

[Sgt Z Squad]

It creates a class system.  Your either a LEO or your not.   it also complete destroys the rights of states to remain seprate and have thier own laws.  You realize that you could be a LEO in one state, yet be DQ from being one in another, let alone getting a CCW.  If all states had the same standard for issuing ccws it would not be a prob.  Since that is not the case, there is one.

Example utah will give yuo a CCW even if you have a minor drug conviction,  many states that will DQ you.   Recently wy made a stink about that( and rightfully so)  so they droped UTs permits recipt... then put it back, then took it away again... now its being looked at, so who knows where it will end up.

Sounds like we have a legislator problem there, and that is the problem throughout the U.S. Yes, you are either a LEO or not. That is kind of obvious. Allow nation wide carry for all with a valid CCW.

[TAB]

CCW needs to be left up to the states.