Pirates hijack ship with 20 Americans onboard

[deamonpi]

this won't happen but here is how you deal with the current situation.  Pull up a battleship, demand the return of the Captain and the other guy they have from the ship, they will not return him without the money, bombard the port, demand the return of the two captives/hostages, repeat as necessary.  The captives/hostages will be returned (hopefully alive) but they wont mess with U.S. flagged ships anymore.  No one wants that headache.  It sounds absolute but I think that's how the Barbary pirates were dealt with.

[TAB]

Some ports will not allow armed vessels.  Not even small arms.

most ports will not allow them, most of ours will only allow them if they are owned by US citz.

[fightingquaker13]

quote from tombogan,...
Somalia is not a "rogue Regime" that indicates a government, even if composed of crooks. Somalia has not had a government for 20 years. It is the total anarchy that the dems are trying to turn America into. (That is not their intention, but it is what will result from their policies. )

I stand corrected, you are correct, it is a lawless part of Africa that was not turned to dust years ago, we as a nation were given a "black eye" by Somalia, and "ran away", for lack of a better term, it wasn't the military that wanted to carpet bomb the freakin wasteland, it was the POLITICIANS.

Now the UN has regulated piracy laws, how's that gonna work?

Ports don;t allow armed vessels, than they don't get the commerce.

Ports lie elsewhere, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, they are (believe it or not), are Pro-American. US Navy needs some good backup here.
As far as maritime law,...

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/10/blackwater.html

Blackwater 2.0: Hired Guns on the High Seas
By Nathan Hodge EmailOctober 27, 2008 | 8:58:00 AMCategories: Mercs 

Blackwater3_2 Blackwater Worldwide President and CEO Erik Prince hit the talk show circuit yesterday to pitch his company's pirate-fighting expertise. The waters off the coast of Somalia have seen a surge in piracy, and Prince said Blackwater is now in 'active discussions' to provide hired muscle for over a dozen commercial shipping lines.

Earlier this month, the company announced that the McArthur, a former oceanographic research ship, was on call to fight piracy in the Gulf of Aden

Open seas, in International Waters have different reg's regarding firearms, the ports of call, however, can regulate known firearm laden vessels, customs and International Trade, Free Trade Zones, and of course the United Nations, have "made the waters murky"
regarding entry.

That;s why its better to get them in the open ocean.

Thanks. This what I was talking about. Not individual sailors bringing a piece but company security guys.
FQ13

[mudman]

Somebody would have to grow some nuts.          NO CHANCE         

this won't happen but here is how you deal with the current situation.  Pull up a battleship, demand the return of the Captain and the other guy they have from the ship, they will not return him without the money, bombard the port, demand the return of the two captives/hostages, repeat as necessary.  The captives/hostages will be returned (hopefully alive) but they wont mess with U.S. flagged ships anymore.  No one wants that headache.  It sounds absolute but I think that's how the Barbary pirates were dealt with.

[tombogan03884]

To pra phrase TR, "We want the hostages returned alive or the hostage takers DEAD."

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[MikeBjerum]

To pra phrase TR, "We want the hostages returned alive or the hostage takers DEAD."

Remember that this isn't WWI or WWII where soliders wanted to live even though they were willing to lay their lives down for someone else.  Today many of those we fight have already decided they are dead, and some of them see it as a good thing to die in the act.

[tombogan03884]

Remember that this isn't WWI or WWII where soliders wanted to live even though they were willing to lay their lives down for someone else.  Today many of those we fight have already decided they are dead, and some of them see it as a good thing to die in the act.

So whats wrong with helping them achieve that goal ?
 Pirates should be either shot on capture or tried and hung.

[MikeBjerum]

So whats wrong with helping them achieve that goal ?
 Pirates should be either shot on capture or tried and hung.

No problem with your thoughts at all, but the idea that strength will get someone back alive is not very possible anymore I fear.

[deamonpi]

Remember that this isn't WWI or WWII where soliders wanted to live even though they were willing to lay their lives down for someone else.  Today many of those we fight have already decided they are dead, and some of them see it as a good thing to die in the act.

Pirates and terrorists are two different things.  Pirates will not lay their lives down for money, they don't already think of themselves as dead, they are just playing the odds like most everyone else.  Now terrorists...

[tombogan03884]

No problem with your thoughts at all, but the idea that strength will get someone back alive is not very possible anymore I fear.

It won't get THAT victim back, but there will not be any more from THOSE BG's and eventually they will get the idea that the payoff is not worth the consequences.
It worked the last time there were pirate problems.