Rifle vs Carbine Tactics

[JdePietro]

Hello my fellow citizens,

I write today in search of answers to questions burning a hole in my insatiable curosity. I care not which is prefered for what method and I do not intend this post to become a war on tactics and gear but rather I would like insightful wisdom on the subject matter.

Carbines are the fashionable item as of the last 30 years give or take and I really don't see this tide turning anytime soon. However there are those of us who enjoy the rifles. M16A3 styled clones, M1A's, HK91 and clones of such, all find themselves in safes along with the fast action carbines. With the slew of carbine owners there are many, many instructors teaching the latest high speed tactics and offering some of the best training this world has seen. My hat is off to some of the talent in the field you guys and gals are amazing.

My questions concern the rifles. I can find a few instructors offering classes and some scattered tactics in books about long range tactical shooting, sniping, scouting, and rifle craft, but where are the instructers for tactical CQC rifle shooting?

Can you shoot a rifle the same way you shoot a carbine?

Have you ever tried squaring off with a rifle? Can you/Should you?

What makes 4 inches on an AR15 such a big deal? Can't it be used in CQC all the same?

Fire away...



 

[Hazcat]

The only thing I see different about the extra 4 inches (NO COMMENTS M'ETTE ) is that you need to be more aware in close quarters.

[Rob Pincus]

What makes 4 inches on an AR15 such a big deal? Can't it be used in CQC all the same?

Hey JdeP,

We say that your weapon doesn't dictate the engagement distance, your environment and your enemy do. 10", 12", 14.5", 16", 20"... if it is designed to be shouldered and held with two hands, we accept it in the "Combat Focus Carbine" course..... I can't speak for other schools, but I would imagine that just about any of them would let you take a 20" inch AR through any course that they have titled as "carbine".

-RJP

[m25operator]

Carbine length for many years has been 18" so now we are talking about 2" difference, Haz made a good analogy, in close quarters, longer firearms are less friendly, but as Rob pointed out, instructors will take you on, and I think in training, you will find the +'s and -'s of your choice, and the ability to use them even if they are not perfect  for the job at hand, any tool is perfect for one situation, but may be applicable to many, understanding the tool and it's capabilities is more important. Just like the cowboy of old who herded longhorn cattle rode 2' wider around the cattle than they would with short horns, learn it and apply it,  no harm no foul, it just means different rules of employment. Stand back further from a door, give your self some room on presentation in close quarters, Learn what you have, and implement it, take some courses like Rob's,listen and learn, as you say 4" should not be a deal breaker, just a different mindset to implement it to the best advantage.

[tombogan03884]

In any course it's best to work with what you are most likely to be using.

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[jaybet]

The only thing I see different about the extra 4 inches (NO COMMENTS M'ETTE ) is that you need to be more aware in close quarters.

"EXTRA 4""?   

[MAUSERMAN]

Is there a pistol carbine course for say a PC9 or RRA 9mm AR.

[fightingquaker13]

Is there a pistol carbine course for say a PC9 or RRA 9mm AR.

By this, I assume you mean the waste of money course. I know my language is provacative, but honestly, why (with the exception of .44 mag) would you WANT a pistol caliber carbine? You lose all the advantages of a pistol (light weight, concealabilty, ease of handling etc). You then lose all the advantages of a rifle(higher pressure tolerance, hotter loads, bigger bullets etc.). What you get is a long, awkward, slightly more accurate abortion of a pistol that could (with the same size, weight and profile) be firing a lot more potent round. Unless you're looking for an SMG, or are in the business of clearing rooms CQC for a living, buy a carbine in a rifle caliber! Here endeth the rant.
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

http://www.suarezinternational.com/tech.html

[Texas_Bryan]

By this, I assume you mean the waste of money course. I know my language is provacative, but honestly, why (with the exception of .44 mag) would you WANT a pistol caliber carbine? You lose all the advantages of a pistol (light weight, concealabilty, ease of handling etc). You then lose all the advantages of a rifle(higher pressure tolerance, hotter loads, bigger bullets etc.). What you get is a long, awkward, slightly more accurate abortion of a pistol that could (with the same size, weight and profile) be firing a lot more potent round. Unless you're looking for an SMG, or are in the business of clearing rooms CQC for a living, buy a carbine in a rifle caliber! Here endeth the rant.
FQ13

All the power of a pistol with the portability of a rifle.   One would assume that carbine tactics could carry over.