Rifle vs Carbine Tactics

[MAUSERMAN]

Anyone use AK's in these classes, if so what kind of gear should someone take. I would also like to know if ICE has any classes in CA.

[Rob Pincus]

AKs, ARs, whatever!  Really guys... anyone who tells you that the tactics, big picture concepts or drills change dramatically from one type of semi-auto rifle to another is to be questioned as to WHY.  Techniques for weapons handling issues DO vary, but all platforms work in the Carbine course....

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Viking Combatives is my Regional Rep in Cali.. they definitely have Carbine on the schedule this year. The instructors are TOP NOTCH and have more Carbine Experience than I do!

-RJP

[MAUSERMAN]

Thank you i will be i contact with them very soon.

[JdePietro]

As this thread seems to wind down I just want to thank you once again Mr. Pincus.

Some how with all of the training you do, the shows, and the forum chores you find time to personally answer questions from myself and others. I cannot thank you enough for doing so, and I do hope that realize how valuable you are to us.

Thank you.

-Josh

[Rob Pincus]

Glad to be here... especially if the time investment helps!

Got some .mil work going on this week, expecting long days so I might not be around much.....

-RJP

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[USSA-1]

JP,

As stated before, your tactics will be the same, but some of your techniques will need to be modified.  The are only two real differences between your M1A and a carbine and that is length and not having a pistolgrip.  Length will be a factor because when you switch to a more squared-up stance, the distance you can project your support hand along the stock of the rifle will shorten.  It's not that big a deal on a 16" carbine, but a 22" rifle changes things.  There is the feeling that you have this long rifle out there with no support, but it's probably more of a comfort issue rather than an actual control issue.  Don't worry that your support hand is not fully extended along the stock.  Place it where you are comfortable. The bigger issue I find is the lack of a pistol grip.  While I can still do a pretty good squared up stance with a straight stock setup, it's definitely different.  I feel that my wrist is more along for the ride as opposed to the pistol grip where I can actually get in behind the pistol grip and absorb some of the recoil.  It's something that takes me a couple of rounds to adjust to the different feel, but in short order I feel comfortable again.

Don't look at the squared up stance as replacing the traditional bladed offhand shooting position; it should compliment your skill set.  For tactical problems that require more precision, continue to use the bladed stance.  If a situation requires more speed and close quarters skills, then consider going to a squared up stance.

The more techniques you have in your skill set, the more options you'll have to solve any tactical problem that arises.

With respect to your sling issue, I would consider using a Viking Tactics sling.  It's a traditional two point sling that has a quick adjustment feature.  You can continue using it in the traditional sling manner or you can quick adjust the tension to give you more freedom of movement or quick adjust the slack and tighten up the sling for precision shooting.  I find the quick adjust feature to be indispensable.

USSA-1

[ericire12]

I am constantly amazed at the wealth of knowledge the professionals that contribute to this forum have!
























....The peanut gallery, on the other hand, really has some work to do.

[Hazcat]

I am constantly amazed at the wealth of knowledge the professionals that contribute to this forum have!




....The peanut gallery, on the other hand, really has some work to do.

Hey!  I resemble that remark!

[garand4life]

For those of us who have them, what advise would you give for those with rifles more in line with the Garand. I know it is not in any way an ideal weapon for CQs but. I am always looking for thoughts on how best to employ such a rifle if there was no other available option.

[JdePietro]

USSA-1,

Thank you for your reply! Todays world of training and tactics is a huge buffet of knowledge and if anyone wants to stay ahead of the curve its a great idea to keep your mind open and try, try, try as many different ideas as you can. In my own attempts I have found things that work and don't work. I shoot 3 gun as often as I can, and for me, blading off and placing my hand as far out on the hand guard as possible keeps me on target and fast at the longer distances with my AR. For the closer things I struggle with that technique and so I opted to try the squared off approach it was only then that I realized the weight of the 20" heavy barrel, my sling option, all the other do dads and my build did not translate over so easily.

Rather interestingly enough this does translate over well with the m14. Taking a squared off stance and gripping the rifle close doesn't make for a terrible long range stance but for inside the 50 meter mark its boss.

Right now I am focusing on my sweeties new step. She purchased a M&P9c and would like to take some pistol courses with me. She is a excellent shooter, I am just not a firearms instructor at this point in my life. So my focus has shifted a little but when I can I still would like to take my M14 to a carbine "tactics" class just to see how well the tactics fit a real world battle rifle.

Thank you again for the reply!