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Re: The Shotgun Is The Most Neglected Weapon In Our Arsenal
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2009, 04:31:15 PM »
The beneli is also the hardest kicking auto in current production.
I always break all the clay pigeons,  some times its even with lead.

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Re: The Shotgun Is The Most Neglected Weapon In Our Arsenal
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2009, 04:53:08 PM »
A good old, plain-Jane shotgun is an awesome weapon.  Pump action guns used by Americans in WW1, were thought by the Germans, of all people, to be cruel and inhumane weapons.  That by the same folks who were using mustard gas at the same time. 

Clint Smith demonstrates that in the hands of someone who has a combat mind-set and a little practice, even a single barrel, break open shotgun can be an effective weapon.  http://uk.truveo.com/Defensive-Shotgun/id/1432387776 

All guns really are, are launchers for projectiles.  It makes absolutely no difference what a launcher looks like, as long as you know how to run the gun that you have.  We can all spend lots of dollars on the latest, high-speed, low drag, super "tactical" whiz-bang blaster, when we can do the same things with stuff we already may have.  Who says a hunting gun has to be just for hunting?  Unless you are scheduled for the finals of the Bianchi Cup, or are being deployed to Iraq soon, the old stuff can work just as well for what you need.  By all means buy what you want.  That is the capitalist way of doing things, it keeps the gun companies in business and it's your money.  At the end of the day, the bad guy will not care that he was shot using the latest black "tactical" accessory platform on the market with a gun attched to it. 
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Re: The Shotgun Is The Most Neglected Weapon In Our Arsenal
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2009, 04:57:13 PM »
The beneli is also the hardest kicking auto in current production.
That hard kick is what keeps it reliable. Because they aren't gas operated, they stay really clean too. I do like an 11-87 though - soft enough for my wife to shoot.

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Re: The Shotgun Is The Most Neglected Weapon In Our Arsenal
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2009, 05:03:41 PM »
there are other models out there that are recoil operated( yes the beneli is recoil operatored... don't beleave thier hype)

Even a old browning auto 5( hump back) kicks less then a beneli
I always break all the clay pigeons,  some times its even with lead.

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Re: The Shotgun Is The Most Neglected Weapon In Our Arsenal
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2009, 06:55:33 PM »
Rem. 870 x 2
Red Lable 12 ga O/U
Dankin Arms 12 ga S/S
Mule Kicking Iver Johnson Single Shot 12 ga.

The Rem. 870 12 ga Express gets a lot of use, far from neglected. 8)
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Re: The Shotgun Is The Most Neglected Weapon In Our Arsenal
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Re: The Shotgun Is The Most Neglected Weapon In Our Arsenal
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2009, 07:35:07 PM »
The only ammo I tried in my 1100 that won't cycle is rubber buckshot. I haven't tried rubber slugs but they probably won't work the action either. Any load of lead ammo will work just fine even target loads, and reduced recoil slugs and buckshot. The 18" barrel that used to be 28" is a lot handier now.
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Re: The Shotgun Is The Most Neglected Weapon In Our Arsenal
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2009, 08:18:42 PM »
OH!  THE SHAME!

I hang may head in utter embarrassment as I have criminally neglected my Mossberg 500A,   She stands in the closet, day after day, night after night, month after month,. while I take my AR, my Tikka T3, my Savage Mod 25, my CZ 452 out to range week after week.   I carefully hand craft ammo for my other guns.  Taking great care and pain to select the proper bullet.  So carefully measure and shape the brass.  Selecting only be best powder and metering it out in tenths of a grain.  Loving storing that ammo in specially designed boxes all clearly labeled with their date & pertinent data.  For the Mossberg it's,  "HEY, what's on sale?"  2-3/4?  3"?  I don't care.  Gi'me some with tiny shot and some with that big shot.   7-1/2 or 9?  Either will do.  Double ought sound cool, so gi'me some of that.  When did I buy that ammo?  Last month?  Last decade?  Last century?  Eh...what's the diff?  Dump it all in a range bag.  Stuff it in magazine.  Rack the slide and blast away.  It'll take anything.   

Oh how I'm amazed the Mossberg hasn't run off.  Joined Hell's Angels.  Or gone to a nunnery.  I've mistreated and neglected her so.  But like my dog.  When I call.  When it's time for action.  She'll respond.  She's like that.  Maybe I'll take her out tomorrow.    Pick out some quality Winchester hulls.  Put the longer barrel on 'er.   Have the guy sling a few skeet out at the horizon.    Yep.  I'll make it up to 'er......tomorrow.
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Re: The Shotgun Is The Most Neglected Weapon In Our Arsenal
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2009, 09:04:51 PM »
from alfsauve,,,,
Oh how I'm amazed the Mossberg hasn't run off.  Joined Hell's Angels.  Or gone to a nunnery.  I've mistreated and neglected her so.  But like my dog.  When I call.  When it's time for action.  She'll respond.  She's like that.  Maybe I'll take her out tomorrow.    Pick out some quality Winchester hulls.  Put the longer barrel on 'er.   Have the guy sling a few skeet out at the horizon.    Yep.  I'll make it up to 'er......tomorrow.

It's always the quiet ones.

The latest XD, M+P, "G" gun, 1911's, and the rifles of all shapes and sizes get all the limelight.

But in a solitary, lonely, and quietly kind of way, the shotgun stays in the closet, in the safe, patiently waiting........

Whether semi-auto, or pump, single/double barrels ,new, granddads, doesn't matter, there it stays. Well, it's time for the "closet" shotgun lovers to come out!

Something about it makes it worth having at least one in any SD or collection. They work and hit hard, versatile for dove, squirrel, turkey, rabbit, hogs, gator, deer, trucks, name it...., if its in range,it will get thumped hard, let alone anything with two legs.

Make it up to her alf,,,,she's still family. Plus, they make a great "firewall".


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Re: The Shotgun Is The Most Neglected Weapon In Our Arsenal
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2009, 09:12:20 PM »
I've been neglecting my 20 gauge Mossberg bolt-action. I don't recall shooting it since my mom gave it to me.
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Re: The Shotgun Is The Most Neglected Weapon In Our Arsenal
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2009, 09:55:25 PM »
I just shot my 500 Breacher tonight at the range with #1 buck and it was an impressive show. Those sixteen (16) thirty (.30) caliber pellets made a nice pattern on my IDPA target at seven (7) yards. It was total destruction at its finest!

I highly recommend the Remington Express #1B loads for self defense; which the recommendation originated from Dr. Fackler...... You can get them at Natchez: http://www.natchezss.com/Ammo.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=RT20624&prodTitle=EXPRSS%20BUCKSHT%20LOAD%2012%202-3%2F4%20%231

 

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