Yay us! Liberals ask how they lost gun, Guantanamo votes

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Liberals ask how they lost gun, Guantanamo votes
By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer Charles Babington, Associated Press Writer 2 hrs 33 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Frustrated liberals are asking why a Democratic-controlled Congress and White House can't manage to close the Guantanamo prison or keep new gun-rights laws from passing.

After all, President Barack Obama pledged to shut down the military detention center on Cuba for suspected terrorists. And Democratic control of the government would suggest that any gun legislation leads to tighter controls on weapons, not expanded use.

Even as they grouse, however, liberal lawmakers acknowledge that no one factor explains last week's disappointing back-to-back votes in Congress.

The Obama administration is focused on other priorities, they say. Party leaders don't want to endanger Democratic lawmakers from conservative districts by stressing divisive issues such as gun control.

On Guantanamo, many say, Obama and his allies were caught napping as Republicans stirred public fears about relocating suspected terrorists.

"I think it's one of the few times that he didn't think it all the way out," said Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., an unabashed admirer of the president.

As for trying to keep loaded guns out of national parks, Cummings said, "I don't think he put a lot of energy into it." Issues such as national security and the distressed economy deserve greater attention, at least for now, he said, adding that the president "picks his fights very carefully."

Such explanations provide small comfort to left-leaning Democrats after eight years of George W. Bush's presidency and nearly a dozen years of Republican control of Congress.

"We'll probably end up passing more gun bills" that expand owners' rights "than we did during the Republican administration," said Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., a leading gun control advocate. "That is what surprises me."

She placed less blame on the White House than on ordinary Americans and advocacy groups that are consistently outflanked by gun owners' groups, especially the National Rifle Association.

"Until the American people say enough is enough, and get active in it," Democratic control of Congress and the White House will not be enough to turn the tide, said McCarthy, whose husband was killed by a gunman in 1993.

Two votes in Congress last Wednesday dismayed many liberals and exposed the limits of their influence even with Obama as president and Democrats holding solid majorities in both houses.

The Senate voted 90-6 to join the House in blocking the transfer of any prisoners from Guantanamo. Harsh treatment and indefinite detention of suspects there have sparked worldwide criticisms of the U.S. government and helped al-Qaida recruit volunteers, said Obama, who pledges to close the prison early next year. Lawmakers say they want more details on where detainees will be sent.

Also Wednesday, the House voted overwhelmingly to join the Senate in letting people carry loaded guns in national parks and wildlife refuges. More than 100 House Democrats and 174 Republicans voted for the gun measure, which was attached to an Obama-backed bill imposing new restrictions on credit card companies.

Earlier this year, gun-rights supporters derailed a bill to give the District of Columbia voting rights in Congress by adding a provision that would repeal the city's strict gun regulations.

The gun votes were less surprising to many Democrats than were the Guantanamo developments. The NRA remains among the most powerful lobbies, and many lawmakers take care to stay off its political enemies list.

"People do not want to be on the wrong side of this particular cultural divide," said Rep. David Price, D-N.C., who supports tougher gun controls. "It's too bad there's not a more responsible national organization" to counteract the NRA, he said.

In some ways, the gun-control lobby is choking on Democratic success in congressional races. "The seats we're picking up come disproportionately from those more conservative areas," Price said, where linking the Democratic Party to gun control can be dangerous at re-election time.

Rep. Lynn Woolsey of California is another Democrat frustrated by the gun debate. When she asks colleagues why they don't support tougher restrictions, she said, they reply, "You just don't get it, Woolsey. You don't have our districts."

"It has to do with being afraid they'll lose their election if they stand up against guns," she said.

Guantananamo is a more pressing issue for the administration.

For months, congressional Republicans and conservative commentators said Obama's plan to close the prison would place terrorists on U.S. soil, even though the locations presumably would be prisons. By the time the administration offered more details and reassurances, congressional Democrats were backpedalling, voting to block funds to relocate detainees.

"I'm not sure they realized the opposition they were going to come up against," Woolsey said.

Many Democratic lawmakers predicted that Obama will resolve the Guantanamo problem and eventually turn to gun issues, where he has advocated ownership rights with "common sense" regulations.

"I do believe that down the road the president will start working on some of the gun violence issues," said McCarthy, the New York Democrat. "But let's face it," she said. "We've got an awful lot of issues on our plate right now."

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Would it be childish to say I told you so? Probably so, but God its fun!
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"Until the American people say enough is enough, and get active in it," Democratic control of Congress and the White House will not be enough to turn the tide, said McCarthy, whose husband was killed by a gunman in 1993.

She just doesn't understand that 'the American people HAVE spoken and said "Enough is enough!" and the we ARE active'.

Stupid twit!

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She just doesn't understand that 'the American people HAVE spoken and said "Enough is enough!" and the we ARE active'.

Stupid twit!

Amen, Brother Haz, but thats what happens when you start beilieving your own propaganda (of whatever flavor). There aren't enough quarters in the world to buy yourself a clue. Can you hear me now? Nope. And being from NYC, she never will.
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Would it be childish to say I told you so? Probably so, but God its fun!
FQ13

For what it's worth, there were a few (of which I count myself) who mentioned early on that Obama would not likely push gun control in his first term for one simple reason- he wants to get to his second term; and with a Democrat controlled congress. I said that if he did it would come in his first or third year in office; he hasn't finished his first year yet..... We took heat from others in the community, Michael Bane being one, who said we were delusional for even believing such a thing would happen. It happens that our community woke up and started mobilizing and sent a very clear signal to the administration that gun control was going to be their "Stalingrad". But let's not declare victory yet.....

I will go on the record here and state (again) that if Obama gets to his second term with a Democrat controlled congress, I believe he will push for greater restrictions and regulations on the sale and transfer of firearms and ammunition. And let's not forget this whole thing can reverse on us very rapidly if we have another Columbine or any type of mass shooting involving children. And if we have a terrorist attack all bets are off.

Battling the anti-2A crowd is like eradicating kudzu- impossible to wipe out and a struggle to contain.....

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She just doesn't understand that 'the American people HAVE spoken and said "Enough is enough!" and the we ARE active'.

Stupid twit!

Spelling problem?

It's OK I'm already in the corner

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 Clueless Liberals ask WTF
Thomas Bogan
Laconia – Frustrated liberals are asking why a Democratic-controlled Congress and White House can't manage to close the Guantanamo prison or keep new gun-rights laws from passing.

After all, President Barack Obama PROMISED to shut down the military detention center on Cuba for suspected terrorists. And Democratic control of the government would suggest that any gun legislation leads to tighter controls on weapons, not expanded use.

Even as they grouse, however, liberal lawmakers acknowledge that THEY HAVE NO CLUE WHY THEY LOST last week's VOTER OPPOSED back-to-back votes in Congress.

The Obama administration is focused on other priorities, they say, SUCH AS KEEPING BO FROM MAKING ANY MORE OF AN ASS OF HIMSELF THAN HE HAS TO . Party leaders don't want to endanger THEIR EXTREMELY WELL PAID JOBS BY stressing TOTALITARIAN CONTROL issues such as gun control.

On Guantanamo, many say, Obama and his allies were caught napping as  THEY HAVE ONLY BEEN ARGUING ABOUT IT FOR 6 OR 7 YEARS NOW

"I think it's ANOTHER time that he didn't think it all the way out," said Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., an unabashed admirer of BLACK MEN WITH NO ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

As for trying to keep loaded guns out of national parks, Cummings said, "WE GOT HANDED OUR ASS" Issues such as national security and the distressed economy ARE EASIER TO BULLSHIT THE SHEEPLE ABOUT, at least for now, he said, adding that the president "picks fights ONLY WITH SMALLER OPPONENTS."

Such explanations provide small comfort to left-leaning Democrats after eight years of George W. Bush's presidency and nearly SIX YEARS OF DEMOCRATIC control of Congress.

"We'll probably end up passing more gun bills" that expand owners' rights "than we did during the Republican administration," said Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., AN UNINFORMED RAGING HYPOCRITE.

She placed less blame on the White House than SHE WOULD HAVE UNDER BUSH, ALTHOUGH SHE CONTINUED THE VILIFY gun owners' groups, especially the National Rifle Association.

"AS LONG AS the American people STAY ALERT TO OUR POWER GRAB, and get active AGAINST it," Democratic control of Congress and the White House will not be enough to turn the tide, said McCarthy, whose ABUSIVE AND ESTRANGED husband was killed by a gunman in 1993.SAVING HER THE TROUBLE.

 last Wednesday dismayed many liberals and exposed the limits of their influence even with Obama as president and Democrats holding solid majorities in both houses COMING AS IT DID, RIGHT AFTER LAST TUESDAY.

The Senate voted 90-6 to join the House in blocking the transfer of any prisoners from Guantanamo. Harsh LOOKS and  detention FOR THE DURATION of suspects there have sparked KNEE JERK SOCIALIST criticisms of the U.S. government FROM THE USUAL CROWD OF IDIOTS WHO helped al-Qaida recruit volunteers, FOR AC, GOOD FOOD, AND NONE OF THAT BLOWING YOUR SELF UP CRAP said Obama, who HAS BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT HIMSELF. Lawmakers say they HAVE ENOUGH AMERICAN MURDERERS IN OUR PRISONS WITHOUT IMPORTING SOME ONE ELSE'S SURPLUS.

Also Wednesday, the House voted overwhelmingly to join the Senate in GIVING UP THEIR STUPID IDEA OF FORBIDDING people FROM carrying loaded guns in national parks and wildlife refuges. More than 100 House Democrats and 174 Republicans  voted for the gun measure, which was attached to anOTHER Obama-backed bill FURTHER NATIONALIZING credit card companies.

Earlier this year, gun-rights supporters derailed a bill to give the District of Columbia voting rights in Congress by adding a provision that would repeal the city's strict gun regulations. THEY ALSO POINTED OUT THAT THE NATIONS CAPITAL WAS INTENDED AS "NEUTRAL GROUND" AND THEREFORE INELIGIBLE TO VOTE, WHICH IS WHY THE SUBJECT IS COMING UP 200 YEARS AFTER THE CITIES FOUNDING.

The gun votes were less surprising to many Democrats than were the Guantanamo developments. The NRA remains among the most powerful lobbies, and many lawmakers HAVE ENOUGH RESPECT FOR THE CONSTITUTION  to stay off its political enemies list.

"People do not want to be on the side of  LAWLESS BARBARIANS," said Rep. David Price, D-N.C., who supports A SAFE WORK ENVIRONMENT FOR RAPISTS, ROBBERS, AND CHILD MOLESTERS. "It's too bad there's not a SHRED OF TRUTHFUL FACTUAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT OUR SIDE, he said.

 The gun-control lobby is choking on TRUTHFUL REPORTING BY NON MEDIA NEWS SOURCES ON THE WEB. "The seats we're picking up come disproportionately from those more AWARE AND INFORMED areas," Price said, where linking the Democratic Party to control can be SEEN AS THE SOCIALIST POWER GRABBING IT REALLY IS at re-election time.

Rep. Lynn Woolsey of California is another  frustrated  Democrat . When she asks colleagues why they don't support tougher restrictions, she said, they reply, "You just don't get it, Woolsey. You don't have A CLUE."

"It has to do with being afraid they'll lose their election if they stand up FOR TYRANY," she said.

Guantananamo is a more pressing issue for the administration.

For months, congressional Republicans and conservative commentators said Obama's plan to close the prison would place terrorists on U.S. soil, even though the locations presumably would be prisons. By the time the administration offered more details and reassurances, THE DRUGS WERE WEARING OFF,  congressional Democrats  voted to block funds to relocate detainees.

"I'm not sure " Woolsey said. SUMMING UP HER ENTIRE  LIFE.

Many Democratic lawmakers predicted that Obama will resolve the Guantanamo problem and eventually turn to gun issues, where he has advocated ownership rights with "MORE USELESS" regulations RIGHT AFTER HE RAISES THE DEAD, WALKS ON WATER, AND TURNS THE WATER IN TO MORE OF THAT WONDERFUL BLUSH CHABLIS.

"I do believe that down the road the president will start working on some of the ANTI CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUES" said McCarthy, the New York Democrat. "But let's face it," she said. "We'RE SCREWED right now."


I hope you enjoy reading my rewrite as much as I enjoyed typing it 

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Nice Tom.   

I got a good chuckle out of your edits.

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Clueless Liberals ask WTF
Thomas Bogan
Laconia – Frustrated liberals are asking why a Democratic-controlled Congress and White House can't manage to close the Guantanamo prison or keep new gun-rights laws from passing.

After all, President Barack Obama PROMISED to shut down the military detention center on Cuba for suspected terrorists. And Democratic control of the government would suggest that any gun legislation leads to tighter controls on weapons, not expanded use.

Even as they grouse, however, liberal lawmakers acknowledge that THEY HAVE NO CLUE WHY THEY LOST last week's VOTER OPPOSED back-to-back votes in Congress.

The Obama administration is focused on other priorities, they say, SUCH AS KEEPING BO FROM MAKING ANY MORE OF AN ASS OF HIMSELF THAN HE HAS TO . Party leaders don't want to endanger THEIR EXTREMELY WELL PAID JOBS BY stressing TOTALITARIAN CONTROL issues such as gun control.

On Guantanamo, many say, Obama and his allies were caught napping as  THEY HAVE ONLY BEEN ARGUING ABOUT IT FOR 6 OR 7 YEARS NOW

"I think it's ANOTHER time that he didn't think it all the way out," said Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., an unabashed admirer of BLACK MEN WITH NO ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

As for trying to keep loaded guns out of national parks, Cummings said, "WE GOT HANDED OUR ASS" Issues such as national security and the distressed economy ARE EASIER TO BULLSHIT THE SHEEPLE ABOUT, at least for now, he said, adding that the president "picks fights ONLY WITH SMALLER OPPONENTS."

Such explanations provide small comfort to left-leaning Democrats after eight years of George W. Bush's presidency and nearly SIX YEARS OF DEMOCRATIC control of Congress.

"We'll probably end up passing more gun bills" that expand owners' rights "than we did during the Republican administration," said Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., AN UNINFORMED RAGING HYPOCRITE.

She placed less blame on the White House than SHE WOULD HAVE UNDER BUSH, ALTHOUGH SHE CONTINUED THE VILIFY gun owners' groups, especially the National Rifle Association.

"AS LONG AS the American people STAY ALERT TO OUR POWER GRAB, and get active AGAINST it," Democratic control of Congress and the White House will not be enough to turn the tide, said McCarthy, whose ABUSIVE AND ESTRANGED husband was killed by a gunman in 1993.SAVING HER THE TROUBLE.

 last Wednesday dismayed many liberals and exposed the limits of their influence even with Obama as president and Democrats holding solid majorities in both houses COMING AS IT DID, RIGHT AFTER LAST TUESDAY.

The Senate voted 90-6 to join the House in blocking the transfer of any prisoners from Guantanamo. Harsh LOOKS and  detention FOR THE DURATION of suspects there have sparked KNEE JERK SOCIALIST criticisms of the U.S. government FROM THE USUAL CROWD OF IDIOTS WHO helped al-Qaida recruit volunteers, FOR AC, GOOD FOOD, AND NONE OF THAT BLOWING YOUR SELF UP CRAP said Obama, who HAS BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT HIMSELF. Lawmakers say they HAVE ENOUGH AMERICAN MURDERERS IN OUR PRISONS WITHOUT IMPORTING SOME ONE ELSE'S SURPLUS.

Also Wednesday, the House voted overwhelmingly to join the Senate in GIVING UP THEIR STUPID IDEA OF FORBIDDING people FROM carrying loaded guns in national parks and wildlife refuges. More than 100 House Democrats and 174 Republicans  voted for the gun measure, which was attached to anOTHER Obama-backed bill FURTHER NATIONALIZING credit card companies.

Earlier this year, gun-rights supporters derailed a bill to give the District of Columbia voting rights in Congress by adding a provision that would repeal the city's strict gun regulations. THEY ALSO POINTED OUT THAT THE NATIONS CAPITAL WAS INTENDED AS "NEUTRAL GROUND" AND THEREFORE INELIGIBLE TO VOTE, WHICH IS WHY THE SUBJECT IS COMING UP 200 YEARS AFTER THE CITIES FOUNDING.

The gun votes were less surprising to many Democrats than were the Guantanamo developments. The NRA remains among the most powerful lobbies, and many lawmakers HAVE ENOUGH RESPECT FOR THE CONSTITUTION  to stay off its political enemies list.

"People do not want to be on the side of  LAWLESS BARBARIANS," said Rep. David Price, D-N.C., who supports A SAFE WORK ENVIRONMENT FOR RAPISTS, ROBBERS, AND CHILD MOLESTERS. "It's too bad there's not a SHRED OF TRUTHFUL FACTUAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT OUR SIDE, he said.

 The gun-control lobby is choking on TRUTHFUL REPORTING BY NON MEDIA NEWS SOURCES ON THE WEB. "The seats we're picking up come disproportionately from those more AWARE AND INFORMED areas," Price said, where linking the Democratic Party to control can be SEEN AS THE SOCIALIST POWER GRABBING IT REALLY IS at re-election time.

Rep. Lynn Woolsey of California is another  frustrated  Democrat . When she asks colleagues why they don't support tougher restrictions, she said, they reply, "You just don't get it, Woolsey. You don't have A CLUE."

"It has to do with being afraid they'll lose their election if they stand up FOR TYRANY," she said.

Guantananamo is a more pressing issue for the administration.

For months, congressional Republicans and conservative commentators said Obama's plan to close the prison would place terrorists on U.S. soil, even though the locations presumably would be prisons. By the time the administration offered more details and reassurances, THE DRUGS WERE WEARING OFF,  congressional Democrats  voted to block funds to relocate detainees.

"I'm not sure " Woolsey said. SUMMING UP HER ENTIRE  LIFE.

Many Democratic lawmakers predicted that Obama will resolve the Guantanamo problem and eventually turn to gun issues, where he has advocated ownership rights with "MORE USELESS" regulations RIGHT AFTER HE RAISES THE DEAD, WALKS ON WATER, AND TURNS THE WATER IN TO MORE OF THAT WONDERFUL BLUSH CHABLIS.

"I do believe that down the road the president will start working on some of the ANTI CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUES" said McCarthy, the New York Democrat. "But let's face it," she said. "We'RE SCREWED right now."


I hope you enjoy reading my rewrite as much as I enjoyed typing it 

F'ing hilarious! 

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Spelling problem?

It's OK I'm already in the corner

I knew someone would catch that!