Some Advice for an Aussie situation

[jaybet]

If some mob shows up and is intent on breaking into my house, with my family in it, they get one warning, in the form of one shot into the crowd. 

I like that. My wife and I were watching a nature show about bear attacks and I said, "If I was out there and a bear came at me I'd give him a warning shot....right between the eyes. Then if he didn't run away I'd start laying into him".

[Texas_Bryan]

I like that. My wife and I were watching a nature show about bear attacks and I said, "If I was out there and a bear came at me I'd give him a warning shot....right between the eyes. Then if he didn't run away I'd start laying into him".

You know that the shrill scream of someone who's profusely bleeding after a loud gunshot would turn most mobs into a bunch of Frenchmen.  But I still can't wrap my head around gathering up a bunch of folks to tear up some guy's house and beat the crap out of people.

[twyacht]

Agree with all previous posts philw, my .02 cents if personally involved in a "non firearm friendly" country, would be to remember, the "mob" are pretty much NOT going to have a firearm. Sticks, clubs, bats, knives, tire irons, yes, but in Australia, probably no guns.

If directly involved in a confrontation that makes you fearful for you and your families life, a 2 second bit of warning shots, should disperse the riff raff, the hardcore ones are the ones to watch out for. 

Defend yourself and your family.  Take it up with the law later, at least you will be alive, but defend your home and family.

Plus, we'll send Marshal'ette "down there" . 

[Texas_Bryan]

Thinking about it, bear spray.  If roaming mobs are a big problem I'd pick up some riot control gear, CS grenade, flashbangs, rubber riot grenades.  I've seen them all on ammunitiontogo.com, sounds like a chemical less-lethal was made for this situation.  But my favorite is landmines.   Those are getting harder and harder to find around here though.

[fightingquaker13]

Phil
We haven't heard back from you. The consensus here in the US is that you stay inside, call the cops and ride it out. IF they come inside, all bets are off and you're in the clear legally. Is that the case in Oz?
FQ13

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[philw]

ok


ta for the repons everyone 


few things


depending on the state  ( this is mostly NSW  however  I also have this where i live however I need to check more )


You have the right to defend yourself.
However the means you use must be justified.

If you use lethal force, you must be able to argue that your life - or that of some other - was directly threatened at that moment. IOW, you can't use lethal force against someone merely because they're in your house, after they've commenced to retreat, or if you have an opportunity to retreat.

You may not prepare to defend yourself. The theory is that if you have time to prepare, you also have time to retreat or call the cops. That means you aren't allowed to have a gun for self defence (or any other kind of weapon) but you ARE allowed to use anything that you "happen" to have available at the time. That is, if you can get it out of the gun-safe in time. If you do have time for that, you'll need rto give your lawyer a good argument as to why you had a gun out of the safe at (say) 2.00AM.

Same goes for any other item used as a weapon. If you have a baseball bat, you should also have a ball and a glove. Otherwise the prosecution can argue that your only reason for having the bat was as a weapon.

If you have a "weapon", then you must be planning to kill somebody. etc, etc.

NSW - thanks to John Tingle - has clarified the situation somewhat.


I am looking on more info on the laws though I will post it when I get it 

[1911 Junkie]

So if you have to use a firearm to defend yourself, your best bet is to not stop shooting until you've also gotten the lawyers and law makers.

Sad, sad thing you got goin on there. You can not prepare to defend yourself. That is a crime in itself.

[fightingquaker13]

That means you aren't allowed to have a gun for self defence (or any other kind of weapon) but you ARE allowed to use anything that you "happen" to have available at the time. By PhilW

Ok. I had to pause, open a beer, drink and then return. I saw that what you typed was still there, and so now, having just cracked my second, am prepared to respond. (Tom if my spelling isn't up to snuff, I beg your indulgence due to extenuating circumstances). Let me get this this straight. YOU MAY NOT HAVE A WEAPON FOR DEFENSE? This means that you are obligated by law to remain defenseless in your own home. Locks on your doors presume a presumptive need for pro-active defense. Ditto an alarm system. Likewise a working phone. Passive, yes, but still presuming a need. These are OK yes? What happens when these fail? Are you just supposed to say "oh bugger I wish the bobby's had been here sooner"? I mean come on phil. I can see, though not agree with, the gun control bit, but to say that having a weapon as plan B if someone breaks in is criminal? What the hell happened to y'all? This is insane. How many prosecuters or cops or judges down there don't wonder if an unsatisfied customer might show up to make a complaint? What about battered wives, people in bad neighborhoods etc.? When did planning for active SD become a no no, even if it is with a cricket bat? I'm ot blaming you obviously, but I am flummoxed.
FQ13 who has finished the 2nd beer

[twyacht]

You may not prepare to defend yourself? The theory is that if you have time to prepare, you also have time to retreat or call the cops. That means you aren't allowed to have a gun for self defense (or any other kind of weapon) but you ARE allowed to use anything that you "happen" to have available at the time? That is, if you can get it out of the gun-safe in time. If you do have time for that, you'll need rto give your lawyer a good argument as to why you had a gun out of the safe at (say) 2.00AM.

Same goes for any other item used as a weapon. If you have a baseball bat, you should also have a ball and a glove. Otherwise the prosecution can argue that your only reason for having the bat was as a weapon.

If you have a "weapon", then you must be planning to kill somebody. etc, etc.


? I'm still trying to process this philw. Deep Breath, walk away, come back, shaking head in disbelief,

Get Mean Ass Dogs? If the dogs are mean, they had time and been trained to prepare for an attack, an since you didn't order the dogs to retreat, or call the cops you are also guilty,............I need a beer, ......I'm so sorry phil, do you have a big uncle or bouncer friend that can stay with you? Oh, wait if you have that, than you would be prepared for defending yourself, and found breaking the law against an angry intruder,....That can be said if you studied self-defense, karate, etc,...and beat them up also.

You were prepared to defend yourself and didn't retreat,... AAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

[Hazcat]

Sounds like UK laws to me.  No defense allowed, give up your stuff and life unless you can run faster.

Complete reversal of natural and Gods law!