Some Advice for an Aussie situation

[fightingquaker13]

Sounds like UK laws to me.  No defense allowed, give up your stuff and life unless you can run faster.

Complete reversal of natural and Gods law!

Amen brother. Retreat Australia Fair. Jesus! If you want to immigrate phil,you'll find plenty of sponsors, I'd personally reccomend someone near Austin TX, maybe true tex will help you out.
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[philw]

hehe  I know what you guys mean

I am still looking for clafification on how the laws are over here,   as I don't 110% know


what I do know is you need to feel threatened and need to be justified

 there is SOOOOOO much BS involved

I am just waiting for the forms we get handed out that needs to be filled out in triplicate just to have fun......

[philw]

also just have to say

it is not that bad over here   Aust is  a very good place,  just some aria's are bad,  I stay away from them

 I  can not see me leaving where I am

although we have a Bikie War going on all over the place    another shooting in Sydney,  that will have Payback done I can guarantee that.

I get to go hunting 15 mins away,    the range is 20 Mins away



and I can still get Ammo     

[long762range]

Philw

I presently have 3 loaded pistols and a loaded shotgun in the house.  They are well secured and safe but I can get to at least two within 10 seconds. 

I like the police in Texas but they are not there to protect me.  The best they can do is write reports and try to find my killers.

I am the primary defense for my family and myself.  If something bad happens I will try to defend myself with anything that is at hand.  And I do have the means at hand.

Bring your family to Texas man.  We have snakes and scorpions and a few aliigators in the southeast but nothing a man can't handled. 

We even speak a form of english.   

[philw]

Bring your family to Texas man.  We have snakes and scorpions and a few aliigators in the southeast but nothing a man can't handled. 

We even speak a form of english.   

what no spiders, I am used to having most of the wildlife trying to kill me  hehe   also alligator's have nothing on a Big Salty

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[tombogan03884]

Philw

I presently have 3 loaded pistols and a loaded shotgun in the house.  They are well secured and safe but I can get to at least two within 10 seconds.  

I like the police in Texas but they are not there to protect me.  The best they can do is write reports and try to find my killers.

I am the primary defense for my family and myself.  If something bad happens I will try to defend myself with anything that is at hand.  And I do have the means at hand.

Bring your family to Texas man.  We have snakes and scorpions and a few aliigators in the southeast but nothing a man can't handled.  

We even speak a form of english.  

Come to NH, we have even less restrictive gun laws than Texas, We DO have snow and 4-5 months of cold, HOWEVER, it only rains for a few days at a time, and we have NO poisonous snakes, scorpions, OR alligators, plus there is still public land to hunt on and all you need to hunt on some one else's land is your hunting license and the owners permission. (no "leases" although it may cost you a few steaks. )

FQ, I'll let it go this time but I'm telling you, get Firefox, you just click on the underlined word and click on the one you were trying to spell and your all set.

[fightingquaker13]

what no spiders, I am used to having most of the wildlife trying to kill me  hehe   also alligator's have nothing on a Big Salty

Spiders? Texas has plenty of those. I was driving into Big Bend National Park late one night, about 2am. The roads held the heat, I was exhausted after driving ten straight hours from Austin, and the road started glowing green. I thought that maybe the beer hadn't passed completely from my system and woke up my friends. What we found were literally hundreds of desert tarantulas (part of a migration, an excersize in figuring out what the hell the chicken was doing, god knows?) camped out on the road. Great big hairy buggers too. You'll feel right at home.
FQ13 PLus, chicks dig the Aussie accent

[philw]

ok  I have a clearer answer for you on how it works over here not everyware though

this is Based on NSW  as I have been emailing the bloke that created the new laws

his name is John Tingle,  he was the founder of the Shooters Party in NSW  and the first elected in to NSW Senate,  the greens hate them more now as TSP  having 2 members elected now hold the balance of power  hehe

Hi Phil

I'm not surprised you would have trouble finding the original Bill(s).     They were incorporated into a third Bill by the Government in about 2001, and the names have changed.

The two Bills I had passed were the Home Invasion (Occupants Protection) Bill, 1998, and the Workplace (Occupants Protection) Bill, 2000.

The first gave any person legally in a house, the right of self defence, defence of others and defence of property against an intruder, when the person was being attacked, within the house; or had formed a reasonable apprehension that he, or any other person legally in the house, was about to be attacked.     The Bill gave a "Parliament-guaranteed" right (words used in the preamble to the Bill) of defence.    It stated that the defender could use any means of defence which he thought were necessary.

It further gave the defender Immunity from Civil or Criminal Prosection; and stipulated that, if, in some way, the defender was charged, after an act of defence, then the onus of proof was reversed, and, in a court, the defendant did not have to offer a defence, or to explain or justify his actions in any way.     The onus was on the Prosecution to prove that at the time the defender took whatever action he did, that he did not really believe, in his own mind, that that particular action was necessary.

Obviously nobody can prove what was in another person's mind at any time, and the Opposition objected to that provision, pointing out the impossibility.    I pointed out in debate that that was precisely the reason the provision was there, because my intention was to swing the weight of the law behind the good guys, and away from where it so often seem to lie - in support of the bad guys.

The Bill became law on September 9 1998.

Later, I introduced the second Bill, which extended the same right of defence to anyone legally in the workplace.    The "workplace" was defined as anywhere someone was legally working - shop, office, hole in the road, seat of a tractor, etc.      That came in in 2000.

The government saw the response to the two Bills and introduced a third Bill, the  Crimes Act (Self Defence) Amendment Bill in about 2001, incorporating the provisions of my two Bills.     Announcing the Bill, the then Premier Bob Carr told a Media Conference:   "This is something John Tingle started, and which we should have done, and are now taking up."

That Bill further extended the right of defence to a person going about their lawful business, anywhere, who was victim of an unprovoked attack; or who formed the reasonable belief that such an attack was about to happen.     In all cases the right of defence extended to self defence and defence of others; but the right of defence of property was reduced in terms of immunity.

Phil the first Bill was introduced in December 1995, before Port Arthur, and I deliberately wrote into it, that defence was allowable using "any" means available.     The intention was to allow the use of any weapon, including a firearm, if available, and to eliminate any question of "equal" or "reasonable" force.

What it did was to codify the Common Law right of self defence, which was vague and ambiguous, and could not be relied on as a defence in a court case.    It took until September 1998 to pass through the Parliament - a hard-fought 3 years!

Obviously, after Port Arthur, when we had to lock up our guns and separate ammunition, it became less likely that a firearm would be readily available for defence, but the Bills meant that if a firearm was available, it could be used, and immunity would continue.

When the first Bill was proclaimed there was an outcry from judges and legal eagles that it was an invitation to violent reactions against an attacker.      When they all started carrying on, like that, I knew my Bills were right!


John

[fightingquaker13]

Good on y'all phil!! It sounds about the same as in the US. Outside the home, walk away if you can, inside, enter at your own risk. The workplace provisions go even further than some of our state law. Now all you have to do is make it legal to keep a firearm in the home for self defense and you're good to go.
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[MAUSERMAN]

Well i made it a point that everyone in my house can protect themselves. We all know where we keep the loaded firearms and the ones we keep are familiar to all of us. Ammo is in no short supply and you might think im nuts but i have eazy access to my roof(death from above). So if any one tries to envade my home they have to go through me and 2 very well armed ladies with attitudes.