Don't Forget that CA Microstamping Bill goes into effect in 2010

[david86440]

 Schwarzenegger signed the bill into law back in 2007 so I just wanted to remind folks in CA that Dooms Day is almost here.

Most gun owners that I talk to out here don't even realize the bill was ever signed into law.

AB 1471 changes California definitions of "unsafe handgun" and also requires that:
"7) Commencing January 1, 2010, for all semiautomatic pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 12131, it is not designed and equipped with a microscopic array of characters that identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol, etched or otherwise imprinted in two or more places on the interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol, and that are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired, provided that the Department of Justice certifies that the technology used to create the imprint is available to more than one manufacturer unencumbered by any patent restrictions. The Attorney General may also approve a method of equal or greater reliability and effectiveness in identifying the specific serial number of a firearm from spent cartridge casings discharged by that firearm than that which is set forth in this paragraph, to be thereafter required as otherwise set forth by this paragraph where the Attorney General certifies that this new method is also unencumbered by any patent restrictions."[4]

SAN FRANCISCO (KCBS)  -- California will soon be the first state requiring semiautomatic handguns to have technology to microstamp each bullet fired from the weapon. The microstamp would identify a gun's make, model and serial number on a bullet cartridge. The law takes effect in 2010.

By signing the microstamping legislation Governor Schwarzenegger chose to disregard warnings that major firearms manufacturers would be forced to abandon the California market altogether rather than bear the astronomical costs associated with reconfiguring the manufacturing and assembly processes necessary for microstamping.

Backers of the bill argue the law will give police a useful tool. "If all that is left are gun casings, especially in things like drive-by shootings, there still is a very effective way to trace who owns that gun," said Kay Holmen, president of the California Chapters of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

"Governor Schwarzenegger has now effectively banned more firearms than Senators Kennedy, Feinstein and Schumer combined," said Lawrence G. Keane, NSSF senior vice president and general counsel. "The governor has proven to gun owners and sportsmen that he is just another liberal anti-gun Hollywood actor -- he just plays a moderate Republican on TV. Mr. Schwarzenegger has now exposed himself for what he really is, the most anti-gun and anti-sportsmen governor in America."

[TAB]

there are several loop holes in that bill.  Until the process is in the public domain, it will never be in affect.

[Pathfinder]

Still, boycott CA in every possible way.

[david86440]

there are several loop holes in that bill.  Until the process is in the public domain, it will never be in affect.

Lets hope so, but people also said back then that the governor would never sign it so don't worry about it.



The technology is available as I've heard that the ones that hold the patent are the ones that sold the idea to the state.

With any new, innovative technology, there are going to be questions concerning the effectiveness and durability of the process and microstamping has not been immune to naysayers. One line of criticism has focused on whether the technology can withstand wear and tear under the violent conditions that exist within the chamber of a firearm. In order to l
answer such claims, the technology has undergone numerous, rigorous tests with firearms including the Colt .45 (1911), S&W 4006, Ruger Mark III, SIG P229, AR-15, and AK-47.3

Microstamping represents an evolution in ballistic identification because it can identify the serial number of a firearm directly from an expended cartridge case found at a crime scene. Originally created in the 1990s by Todd Lizotte and Orest Ohar, microstamping uses precise laser technology to engrave intentional microscopic markings on the internal mechanisms of a semiautomatic pistol (e.g., the breech face and the tip of the firing pin). When the handgun is fired, these engravings are stamped onto the cartridge—identifying essential information including the make, model and serial number of the weapon in the form of alphanumeric and geometric codes. Information extracted from these codes can be used to trace a firearm used in a violent crime, even if the crime gun itself is never recovered.

[tombogan03884]

 The idea that companies will go to the expense of including this technology into their manufacturing process to satisfy one state, when all other states it's been introduced in have rejected it, even NJ, is unrealistic. They will simply follow Ronnie Barret's lead and no longer market their products in Ca.

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[TAB]

the other big loop hole, is if the gun is already on the approved list, it does not need to meet the new standard.

Arny signed the bill in reltailation for a few choice words/actions from a gun group that shall remain nameless.( he said as much in a interview.)   basicly they went gung hoe over the lead ban deal for hunting and got bit in the ass by this POS.  

Tom, barret did the right thing, other companys like STI are the ones I can't stand and will never buy thier products.

for those that don't know, about 8-9 years ago STI pulled all non LEO sales from CA( leos could still buy them)  it was do to a lawsuit bill that passed here.  fast forward a few year, rommie did his thing.  then STI ran an ad campign that they had pulled all sales from CA, only prob was they had already pulled all sales from CA.  They did it strickly to get biz, which is fine, only they claimed it was for political reasons.  Once again thats fine, just don't lie thru your teeth to me.  If they had told the truth I would still respect them as a company.  

Tom as you know, we have more gun owners in CA, then most states have population.  any big company that all of a sudden stoped selling guns in CA would take a huge hit in thier pocket books.  I don't see any major manufactor doing that. 

[david86440]

the other big loop hole, is if the gun is already on the approved list, it does not need to meet the new standard.

   

Gun list approval is only for 2 yrs, then it has to be re certified.

[TAB]

nope, they just have to pay the fee after 2 years to keep it on the list.  if there ever is a lapse then they have to have it recerfied.

[david86440]

nope, they just have to pay the fee after 2 years to keep it on the list.  if there ever is a lapse then they have to have it recerfied.

OK, you win...... I've run out of arguments. 

[twyacht]

Don't sweat David, TAB is this forum's Kalifornia insider that is staying until the bitter end....Right up until they kick in his door and seize his stuff..

P.S. Barret DID do the right thing...