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Re: Census Worker Hanged
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2009, 06:56:06 PM »
Yeah they just want numbers that they have no business with!

really, so you don't want to get another member of congress?  census is how they determin how many members you have in the house.    they also use it to give your state electorail votes.

Census records are sealed for a very long time. 
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Re: Census Worker Hanged
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2009, 07:29:57 PM »
really, so you don't want to get another member of congress?  census is how they determin how many members you have in the house.    they also use it to give your state electorail votes.

Census records are sealed for a very long time. 

Population is not the problem.  It is all the other crap they want.  A census form should be a simple card - How many in your household and what are their age ranges Period!!!  Everything else of any importance, and way way more, they already have in other places.
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Re: Census Worker Hanged
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2009, 08:36:31 PM »
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 I've said this before and I'll say it again. You are half right. All the constitution demands is a head count, how many and of what age and you don't even need to go to Bethleham to answer that. BUT and BUT the government does need other info like age, occupation, whether you have insurance, been a victim of a crime, speak English, income level etc. to administer a lot of other programs from medicaid to LEO deployment. The thing is that while the census may not be the most appropriate place for this information gathering  it is the most cost effective. Every ten years we MUST (per Constitutional mandate) pay thousands of folks to knock on doors. Why not have them ask other questions we would pay tens of thousands to have answered via a private firm like Gallup? I make no judgement as to whether federal program x, y or z should exist, but if they do they need info and info costs money. Our money, tax dollars. Why not just stick a few questions on the form? Some will disagree and for two reasons. Reason the first: Government should not be involved in providing x,y and z and thus has no need to know. I agree, but we live in the real world and I'd prefer my money not be wasted due to ignorance of how to administer something effectively.
Reason the second: All they are entitled to ask is how many of what age live in a household. Again I agree, but in this case I will say why not give info that will save us all money and make a creaky bueacracy run smoother? If there is a good reason to say no, as a Libertarian, I'll probably get behind it. Persuade me.
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Re: Census Worker Hanged
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2009, 08:52:59 PM »
I would like to know the name of 1 government program that ever "saved" me money...They all seem to cost me more each year due to mismanagement and out right fraud.
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Re: Census Worker Hanged
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2009, 09:23:22 PM »
M58
 I've said this before and I'll say it again. You are half right. All the constitution demands is a head count, how many and of what age and you don't even need to go to Bethleham to answer that. BUT and BUT the government does need other info like age, occupation, whether you have insurance, been a victim of a crime, speak English, income level etc. to administer a lot of other programs from medicaid to LEO deployment. The thing is that while the census may not be the most appropriate place for this information gathering  it is the most cost effective. Every ten years we MUST (per Constitutional mandate) pay thousands of folks to knock on doors. Why not have them ask other questions we would pay tens of thousands to have answered via a private firm like Gallup? I make no judgement as to whether federal program x, y or z should exist, but if they do they need info and info costs money. Our money, tax dollars. Why not just stick a few questions on the form? Some will disagree and for two reasons. Reason the first: Government should not be involved in providing x,y and z and thus has no need to know. I agree, but we live in the real world and I'd prefer my money not be wasted due to ignorance of how to administer something effectively.ANY MORE THAN IT ALREADY IS
Reason the second: All they are entitled to ask is how many of what age live in a household. Again I agree, but in this case I will say why not give info that will save us all money and make a creaky bueacracy run smoother? If there is a good reason to say no, as a Libertarian, I'll probably get behind it. Persuade me.
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Re: Census Worker Hanged
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Re: Census Worker Hanged
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2009, 09:26:27 PM »
FQ,

Other agencies already have all of that information, and it is a waste of time and materials to duplicate.  It is also an invasion of privacy to have another set, or thousand sets, of eyes viewing it all tied to my name.  As far as speaking English ... Your a legal citizen, you get counted, you damn well better speak English ... Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ... How many of these mailings will be in how many different languages and how many multi lingual workers will get lynched ???
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2009, 09:40:04 PM »
Around here they were given orders to hop gates to get to GPS and knock on EVERY door.  Between the dogs, BULLS, and meth cookers it is a MIRACLE that it took this long to happen.
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Re: Census Worker Hanged
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2009, 09:58:02 PM »
The Census is a head count for appropriation of representatives, not an in depth survey for the multiplicity of superfluous government programs that re-distribute wealth.   
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Re: Census Worker Hanged
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2009, 10:44:33 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090926/ap_on_re_us/us_census_worker_hanged

BIG CREEK, Ky. – A part-time census worker found hanging in a rural Kentucky cemetery was naked, gagged and had his hands and feet bound with duct tape, said an Ohio man who discovered the body two weeks ago.

The word "fed" was written in felt-tip pen on 51-year-old Bill Sparkman's chest, but authorities have released very few other details in the case, such as whether they think it was an accident, suicide or homicide.

Jerry Weaver of Fairfield, Ohio, told The Associated Press on Friday that he was certain from the gruesome scene that someone killed Sparkman.

"He was murdered," Weaver said. "There's no doubt."

Weaver said he was in the rural Kentucky county for a family reunion and was visiting some family graves at the cemetery on Sept. 12 along with his wife and daughter when they saw the body.

"The only thing he had on was a pair of socks," Weaver said. "And they had duct-taped his hands, his wrists. He had duct tape over his eyes, and they gagged him with a red rag or something."

Two people briefed on the investigation said various details of Weaver's account matched the details of the crime scene, though both people said they were not informed who found the body. The two spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.

"And they even had duct tape around his neck," Weaver said. "And they had like his identification tag on his neck. They had it duct-taped to the side of his neck, on the right side, almost on his right shoulder."

Authorities have refused to say if Sparkman was at work going to door-to-door for census surveys before he died.

Both of the people briefed on the investigation confirmed Sparkman's Census Bureau ID was found taped to his head and shoulder area. Weaver said he couldn't tell if the tag was a Census ID because he didn't get close enough to read it. He could see writing on Sparkman's chest, and could read that it said "fed."

Authorities said Thursday that a preliminary cause of death was asphyxiation, pending a full medical examination. Even the details behind that were murky. According to a Kentucky State Police statement, the body was hanging from a tree with a rope around the neck, yet it was in contact with the ground.

Weaver, who works for a family topsoil business in Fairfield, said the body was about 50 yards from a 2003 Chevrolet S-10 pickup truck. He said Sparkman's clothes were in the bed of the truck.

"His tailgate was down," Weaver said. "I thought he could have been killed somewhere else and brought there and hanged up for display, or they actually could have killed him right there. It was a bad, bad scene.

"It took me three or four good nights to sleep. My 20-year-old daughter ended up sleeping in the floor in our bedroom." he said.

Clay County Sheriff Kevin Johnson declined to comment on the investigation because the department is only playing a supporting role but said patrols have increased in the Daniel Boone National Forest since the body was found.

The Census Bureau has suspended door-to-door interviews in the rural county pending the investigation.

State Trooper Don Trosper said it was clear this wasn't a natural death but said all other possibilities were being considered.

"This case has many facets," he said. "To investigate cases, you have to rule out different scenarios. We are not able to rule out many scenarios at this time, and that's what makes this a difficult case."

Although anti-government sentiment was one possibility in the death, some in law enforcement also cited the prevalence of drug activity in the area — including meth labs and marijuana fields — although they had no reason to believe there was a link to Sparkman's death.

"Now they're taking their meth lab operations into the rural, secluded areas," the sheriff said. "We've had complaints in the area, but not that particular location."

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Re: Census Worker Hanged
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2009, 11:09:45 PM »
TAB had it right. These guys are so screwed. Killing a federal employee (who seems like good guy, Scout leader, teacher etc) is bad. Making a spectacle out of his body? Anyone with a three letter acronym and a badge will be down there. They will have to spray for federal agents before this is over with. I would either dime out or personally kill whoever did this if I were an honest pot grower there as the heat this murder will bring will at a minimum put me out of business for months and at worst send me to jail as the Feebs, the DEA, Homeland, Secret Service ICE, and for all I know the Postal Inspectors and a partridge in a pear tree are not going to be playing bean bag on this one. These idiots tried to set an example? The guys with the multi-million dollar budgets and all the cool toys will try to do the same. Guess who wins.
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