Requesting Opinions on Carbine Selection

[alfsauve]

Plus a Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 12g works just fine in a Katrina situation...

+1 to that.   Even get a stainless model.

As far as ammo goes, you should have enough ammo on hand in a Katrina situation to last the length of the disaster.....

Well that's not fair.   Only caveat is knowing how long "how long" is.   And of course having access to your stash.  It's nice to have 2,000 rounds of 6.8 at home, but if I'm caught across town, how much can I find on the street?

[Overload]

+1 to that.   Even get a stainless model.

Well that's not fair.   Only caveat is knowing how long "how long" is.   And of course having access to your stash.  It's nice to have 2,000 rounds of 6.8 at home, but if I'm caught across town, how much can I find on the street?

What are you doing across town with a 6.8 rifle?

  I guess what I'm saying is you should be able to survive a Katrina with what's in your magazines & stripper clips.  I assume you'll have at least 4 magazines on you.  Plus, just as the purpose of a pistol is to fight your way to a rifle, the purpose of a rifle is to fight your way to safety, which includes where you have the rest of your stuff.

[tombogan03884]

What are you doing across town with a 6.8 rifle?

  I guess what I'm saying is you should be able to survive a Katrina with what's in your magazines & stripper clips.  I assume you'll have at least 4 magazines on you.  Plus, just as the purpose of a pistol is to fight your way to a rifle, the purpose of a rifle is to fight your way to safety, which includes where you have the rest of your stuff.

Work, Earthquake, tornado, or the out break of a riot could very easily catch you miles from home.

[Badgersmilk]

What are you doing across town with a 6.8 rifle?

  I guess what I'm saying is you should be able to survive a Katrina with what's in your magazines & stripper clips.  I assume you'll have at least 4 magazines on you.  Plus, just as the purpose of a pistol is to fight your way to a rifle, the purpose of a rifle is to fight your way to safety, which includes where you have the rest of your stuff.

Where is "safety" exactly?  I hear it refered to all the time, but don't know I've ever seen it.  Name this place (please don't say your house  )...  Something can put an end to you no matter where your at.

The idea of carrying a weapon of any sorts is to fight your way to someplace "safer" than where you may be.  6.8 is IMO, an idiotic choice if only because your very likely to be the ONLY one carrying it.  An old rusty 30-30 lever action would serve better than the latest, trendiest plastic wonder on the market when there may be some chance of "Crap!  I'm out of ammo!!!"

Besides, 6.8 is no different than .40 S&W...  A caliber created for those to weak wristed to arm themselves with the a proper caliber, and to drive sales for "the latest thing". 

Still.  Where's "safety"?

[fightingquaker13]

BM
You're a bit harsher on 6.8 than I am. I think it has its place. Currently though, until it gains wider acceptance, that place is a hunting round. 6.8 is to .270 as .308 is to 30-06. A short cased version of a solid round, designed to work in semi-auto's. All things being equal, I would love to have my AR chambered in that rather than .556, and I'm sure most GI's would agree. Thing is, things ain't equal, and it's currently a boutique round with high dollar and hard to find ammo and mags. If I get the cash for a 6.8 upper, I will use it for hog hunting and will live with two five round mags. I wouldn't even think about it for an SHTF rifle. For that, I'll be using 5.56 and commonly available mags and ammo. As far as "saftey", evacuation isn't an option here. There is no reasonable way to get out without putting yourself in more danger. I have food, water, ammo, a generator, a grill and lots of lanterns and sundry supplies. It will be enough or it won't. Still, I do like the idea of parts and ammo being commonly available if days become weeks, and weeks become months as was the case in New Orleans.
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[tombogan03884]

Where is "safety" exactly?  I hear it refered to all the time, but don't know I've ever seen it.  Name this place (please don't say your house  )...  Something can put an end to you no matter where your at.

The idea of carrying a weapon of any sorts is to fight your way to someplace "safer" than where you may be.  6.8 is IMO, an idiotic choice if only because your very likely to be the ONLY one carrying it.  An old rusty 30-30 lever action would serve better than the latest, trendiest plastic wonder on the market when there may be some chance of "Crap!  I'm out of ammo!!!"

Besides, 6.8 is no different than .40 S&W...  A caliber created for those to weak wristed to arm themselves with the a proper caliber, and to drive sales for "the latest thing".  

Still.  Where's "safety"?

You are looking at the 6.8 from the opposite direction of everyone else, and you are STILL wrong, the designers looked at 223 and worked UP, you are looking at .308 or 7.62X54 and thinking DOWN. .270 and .308 are RIFLE rounds while the 6.8 is intended as an INTERMEDIATE round of larger caliber than .223. As such it performs quite well, with better punch and longer range performance do to the increased weight and length of the bullet.
As to where is safety, that's where your support structure is centered. Which in most cases is indeed your home, that's where all your stuff is and it is where friends and family expect to be able to meet up with you. Also it should be the area you are the most familiar with, all advantages not available to you anywhere else.

[1911 Junkie]

At least we didn't have to listen to another AK rant. 

[twyacht]

Hey BM, don;t bash the .40 S&W too much,

http://www.centerfirecentral.com/calibers/40sw/40swchoice.htm

The bottom line is energy. So, I took the highest muzzle energy per caliber with no regard for bullet weight or velocity.

                    Bullet    Velocity     Energy
380                  85    1000    189
38                 158    890            278
9 MM         115    1225    383
357                 125    1450    583
40 S&W      155    1205    500

44 Mag         240    1180    741
45 ACP         185    1000    411

With my Full size M+P .40, and a Rem870 and/or my Sig556, since I've been through the Floyd, Fran, and Bertha's, I never felt "undergunned", and I do not have a weak wrist.

[Big Frank]

Hey BM, don;t bash the .40 S&W too much,

http://www.centerfirecentral.com/calibers/40sw/40swchoice.htm

The bottom line is energy. So, I took the highest muzzle energy per caliber with no regard for bullet weight or velocity.

                    Bullet    Velocity     Energy
380                  85    1000    189
38                 158    890            278
9 MM         115    1225    383
357                 125    1450    583
40 S&W      155    1205    500

44 Mag         240    1180    741
45 ACP         185    1000    411

With my Full size M+P .40, and a Rem870 and/or my Sig556, since I've been through the Floyd, Fran, and Bertha's, I never felt "undergunned", and I do not have a weak wrist.

.45+P is about the same ME as .357 magnum. If you load it to .40 S&W pressure levels... well, that's the .460 Rowland.

[Overload]

Where is "safety" exactly?  I hear it refered to all the time, but don't know I've ever seen it.  Name this place (please don't say your house  )...  Something can put an end to you no matter where your at.

When I watch baseball people are safe at home!

I live in a decommissioned missile silo.  If I'm at home I'm safe. (OK, I don't really live in a silo, but if I did...)
I do think wherever I have my stores is a safer place, and maybe the safest place I'm going to be able to get to or access.  Fighting defensively in an area you're familiar with is an advantage compared to roaming the streets.
  If it's a disaster whose aftermath will pass in a short amount of time (weeks rather than months or years) I do think home is the best place, assuming you're prepared.  Here in CO, I'm prepared to be snowed in for days.  But, I expect to have power and heat.  I can survive without both, but it'll be more rustic living.